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@Hippocrates , @cp8759 ,

Thank you very much

I will call them

Update :

The PCN online has changed the amount back to £130 ...





but also states I cannot challenge it again ...

Thank you for all the replies

all are helping so many in need of help and can be very confusing
My brain has not yet recovered fully but little better than how it was


I have been checking the website and today, it says ...


I have not yet received the letter from them.

I cannot believe I had lost the discount now I might have to pay extra for stupidly try to ask to be let off..





Am I stupid or the information was misleading to let me think I was allowed to informally challenge it in the first instance without losing the discount???

The call centre was unable to help and then closed, the chat bot system was not helping as it was going in the circle, there was no where to ask for guidance,

There are too many signs on the road added and added, they are un noticeable, unclear, misleading, confusing and rules change according to the borough, it is made to trick people to make mistakes so they can force the fine to make money?
some are time restricted if you don't have access to a watch, no way of knowing. 

It is no difference to phishing online.

Hi, @cp8759

It was impossible to get any appointment at the county court the form signing as no one answers the appointment line to make appointment. without an appointment, cannot go into the court desk.

I have found a Barrister of a court through friends contact and emailed the PE3 form to The Traffic Enforcement Centre.

I have received a letter from the Traffic Enforcement Centre 
Ordering to cancel 
* Notice for Recovery
* Charge Certificate



It mentions the original Penalty Charge Notice is NOT Cancelled.
The council's website has not been updated and it is still at £205

Please guide me to the next step.

Marie

@cp8759

Thank you so much for helping me with all those.

For the allocation and the angle of all those time restricted pedestrian zone are placed unfairly to the drivers as the signs are not informing the vehicle approaching to the entrance of the street.

Just for information: example of better sign-post

There is a new sign-post placed at some of the junctions which I found at least 1 (374 South Circular Road, Wandsworth)
Entering from Upper Richmond Road into Dryburgh Road.
Location : https://maps.app.goo.gl/2khamyL2QnSdkv3B7

https://i.imgur.com/nfhDyOh.png
https://i.imgur.com/7Wa29HF.png
https://i.imgur.com/8pJLarH.png

Which seems to be more sufficient

1). Slightly into the Dryburgh Road even If missed No turning sign.
2). It will or should be LED lighted at the time restricted even if the driver had no access to a watch.

@H C Andersen

Thanks

Yes it is at high cost as the insurance dealt with the hire bike.
They supply new motorbike and new helmet.

What I understood was that:
They cannot take any risk to supply second hand vehicles in case there is any issues with the vehicle they won't take any chances for the vehicle they send out breaking down and have any accident.

They probably sell the used motorbike after its been used.

I wish not to make things even more complicated to dispute against the hire firm. If I could avoid...
I believe they have all that they need in the file as they do check the licence online with the DVLA and they have taken my Licence number to check.
My insurance and all they needed they had added Pillion cover on top for this hire (with age restriction).

A.    Particulars of person signing statement of liability*

YES : Full Name.
YES : Date of birth.
YES : Permanent Address.
YES : Address at time of hiring (if different from 3 above and stay is likely to be more than two months from date of hiring).
YES : Details of Driving licence - as FULL
N/A : a). Country where issued - as it is UK
NO : b). Serial number or Driver number - as DVLA Licence check Completed
NO : c). Date of expiry (which should be no later than date specified in B7 below). - as it is answers Licence Expired : NO - date not specified.

* Where the statement of liability is in Part II of form H, the full name and address of the person by or on whose behalf the statement of liability was signed should be supplied together with the date on which it was signed. If the person taking possession of the vehicle is not the same as the person by or on whose behalf the statement was signed, the full name of that person should also be supplied (if known).

B.    Particulars of hiring agreements

YES : Registration mark of vehicle hired under the hiring agreement.
YES : Make and model of vehicle hired under the hiring agreement.
N/A : Registration mark of any vehicle substituted for the above during the currency of the hiring agreement. - as supplied only 1 vehicle stated above.
N/A : Make and model of any vehicle substituted for the above during the currency of the hiring agreement.
N/A : Time and date of any change of vehicle.
YES : Time and date of commencement of original hiring period.
NO : Expected time and date of expiry of original hiring period. - as it was depended on the insurance company.
N/A : Time and date of commencement of authorised extension of hiring period.
N/A : Expected time and date of expiry of authorised extension of hiring period.
N/A : Actual time and date of return of vehicle (or when vehicle returned out of hours time and date on which vehicle-hire firm next opened for business). - as the agreement was signed before I returned the vehicle few month later.

Quite URGENT matter as I have no idea what happens next.

@cp8759

Lambeth - PCN 53j -  Charge Certificate £195 before receiving the rejection letter even though I was in contact via phone call and emailed as I was told to.

Authority : Lambeth Council
Contravention : PCN 53j - Entering the Time Restricted Pedestrian Street - Bowling Green Street
Location : Bowling Green St, London SE11 4QA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dN8Phx5aE6KQxoH49

Entered turning left from Kennington Road at 2.45pm on Thursday 21st November 2024
Time restriction : Monday to Friday 8.15am - 9.15am and 2.45pm - 3.45pm.

I was on the courtesy motorcycle, the initial PCN was redirected to my name and was sent to my address.

The PCN was issued to me on the 13/Dec/2024 which I received on 18/Dec/2024.
I wanted to informally challenge the PCN and I believed that even my case was to be rejected, the charge will still be at discounted amount at £65.
PCN Arrived on 2024.Dec.18




I tried on-line informal challenge but the on-line system was not allowing me to do anything.
I called 020 7926 9000 and spoke to a lady called Angie and explained the situation.
She had told me to emailed to environment@lambeth.gov.uk and explain the situation.
She also told me to call back and ask to get the confirmation on email being logged to the system.

So I emailed on 19/Dec/2024, which I have the copy of the email in my sent box in my email account.
Email I sent dated 2024.Dec.19


I also called back on 6/Jan/2025 to ask to check but the different lady who I spoke then told me that she was not able to check.
And she told me to wait for the post.
Dates of Calls I made



I waited.

Then 4/Feb/2025 I was surprised by Charge Certificate.
And the charge was increased at not just £130 but £195.
And they are saying they will increase the fee after the 14 days from 28th January.
Arrived on 2025.02.04



There were no access other than the postal service and those dates they state as 14 days are not actually 14 days as there are time delays.

Then the rejection letter dated 2025.Feb.11
Arrived on 2025.02.18




Every contact I made had not given me the right information or explanation for me to understand in order to  make the choice suited to my situation.

They are dealing with PCN day in and day out and their profession is to reject as many PCN as possible with no personal risk to them. All the letters I received has no name and I am against a brick wall.

For anyone receiving PCN, it is personal and the stake is too high for the risk we take to challenging it.
They also hold our personal information and this could even affect our personal credit score.

I was involved in an accident in Oct 2024 and have been having problem with wording composing, simplifying the story also taking in informations are near impossible.
I have not just shot my foot but I seem to have shot in the head by trying to informally challenge, well, I was asking a question in a first place.
I really should have paid £65.

It was genuine mistake in the first place but their system changes made my case even more complicated.


The point in the first place was:

I had entered the street at wrong timing twice before I received the first PCN to realise.

And the sign post is not placed adequately for any vehicle approaching to turn left into the Bowling Green Street that I was not able to notice the signpost.

Since I had received the PCN, I know where the signpost is and I have tried many times to notice the sign post whilst paying attention to any potential hazards, it is impossible as it is not angled to be visible to the vehicle approaching to turn left into the street.

The images I have taken from the road position where I would be riding.

Timing of when the post-van is there, it blocks the view completely



The Big Tree is hiding the signpost



Neither of the signpost is facing vehicle approaching



Able to all the other signpost except the one I got PCN for as it is blended into the background



By the time I am at the junction to enter the street, I am right by the side of the sign and they are above my head. I am waring a full-face helmet and I cannot see above.

But now turned into unfair rejection with the increased charge and power harassment by the authority.
The stress it is causing and hardship with the threat to increase the charge plus the court fee etc.

Anyone who has no time, no energy, not enough knowledge to deal with the matter are threatened to pay the charge.
Which used to be dealt with a simple phone call with a real person and the situation was to be listened and taken into account, the genuine mistake was not to be penalised / punished.
It seems anyone wanting to challenge it, has to take up so much learning to even ask a question.

I don’t know where to get help, who I am supposed to be talking to, it is getting out of hand.
I have no idea when this will be going to court or will I get informed?
I don’t even know what I have to do to get this charge dropped or at least at £65
Asking for a solicitor will increase the cost even more and what am I supposed to be doing with this matter?