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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Contravention -53J PCN from ealing Council

« on: October 31, 2025, 10:24:35 pm »

Hi Everyone ,

I did checked if i can see any thread which can help me before putting up for advice but unfortunately , i could not find anything which i can use to put together an appeal .

I am driving a company car and PCN was sent to leasing company which they had received on 27th OCT 25 for contravention date of 10th OCT 25. Leasing company has requested on same day to transfer liability to my company.

I need advice on below from all the experts as i have had help in past to come out of JAM .

1) DO i have any chance of appealing as i had genuinely missed a sign and juts followed traffic in the same direction?

2) As per this when should be last day to either appeal or pay at reduced price ?

As it can be seen from video there where few cars were going in the same direction so i believe all should have been sent PCN

https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx

Please enter PCN - AO07234671
VRM - BX73JXU

https://maps.app.goo.gl/4HPFE7BbQAqwkwhB7 ( street view )

https://imgpile.com/p/bq4NyTu

Thank you all in advance for your help

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Contravention -51 PCN from Harrow Council

« on: September 25, 2024, 05:04:32 pm »

Thank you cp8759 for your reply.

Unfortunately, Its nearly 14 days from the date of issue and i am not getting anywhere to get leasing company to make a rep as i have to go though a channel but will keep this in mind hope not but if i have to come for a help again meanwhile i was on council website to make a normal representation rather than just give up and pay up and noticed PCN has been put on hold does anybody know why it would be on hold ?

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Contravention -51 PCN from Harrow Council

« on: September 24, 2024, 09:33:52 pm »

Thank you everyone for your time.

I should just take a chance by making a representation in behalf of leasing company and ask leasing company to provide Authority letter .

@cp8759 can i still use https://drive.google.com/file/d/14qWRhA5nPdlyaL5lcZJcgG9Y_K5X9sCJ (Mitigation consideration 2017 V1 ) in this case and so what should be my appeal grounds.

I have visited contravention site and taken some video and images which might help as i think inadequate signage can be used as one of the grounds of appeal .please see below link .

https://imgur.com/DZj5sOd

Thanks all.

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Contravention -51 PCN from Harrow Council

« on: September 24, 2024, 08:19:06 am »

Morning john ,

Thanks for your reply .

PCN is under Leasing company as they are the RK . PCN was first received by Leasing company /RK and then it was passed over to my company which i work for then it was passed over to me to make a decision on either to pay up or Challenge .

probably You are right there that leasing comapany can't be bothered with paper work hence got passed over without following a proper procedure and have charged admin fee too .

Is there anything i can do at this stage? if i ask my company to go back to leasing company and ask them to send a letter about lessee it is a long shot and i will miss 14 days period .

Can i make a rep in behalf of any of them and get a letter from them to Authorise me to make a rep?

Just for a future ref even if leasing company follows due procedure and PCN gets re send under Company Name can i still make a Rep in behalf of comapny with comapny email address ?

To be honest my chances looks thin so once i get an expert advise if i have to would like to pay up before 14 days to avail discount.

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Contravention -51 PCN from Harrow Council

« on: September 23, 2024, 07:43:02 pm »

Quote from: John U.K. on September 23, 2024, 03:26:12 pm

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Unfortunately i can not upload my PCN can you guide me as getting an error that "The upload folder is full.

Have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Use ibb or imgur and post all sides of the PCN here, redacting only name & address.

please find below imgur link ,

https://imgur.com/a/30yAynW

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Date on PCN is 12/09/24 but they had received PCN on 20th and then been pass on to me. Council had issued PCN on 12/09/24 which reach leasing company on 20/09/24 and then it been passed over to me today to either make a payment or appeal against.

If i am not wrong i have only 3 days to make a representation is that right ?

please see below link where a video of the contravention can be found,

https://www.harrow.gov.uk/parking-permits

Is it your name & address on the PCN? If not, whose?
No its a company car which is register under Leasing firm.

Many Thanks John ,

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Contravention -51 PCN from Harrow Council

« on: September 23, 2024, 03:12:15 pm »

Hello All forum Wizards and Members,

I drive a company car and have received PCN from Harrow council through vehicle hire company . Date on PCN is 12/09/24 but they had received PCN on 20th and then been pass on to me.

PCN is for contravention -51 FAILING TO COMPLY WITH NO ENTRY RESTRICTION .

I was going to go through that road but soon after seeing a No entry sign i did not go through that road and took a turn to come out of that road to avoid going through no entry which can be clearly seen in Video footage and then stopped there too to confirm what i had seen was right .

As its a busy road took time to re join main road .

Can you please advise on what are my options , If i haven't gone past no entry sign is it still a contravention?. i was reading CP's response to one of the case where Mitigation circumstances can be used in Harrow PCN appeal . Is that still a case ? if so what mitigation circumstances can be used ?

Below is a link for a video footage.

https://www.harrow.gov.uk/parking-permits

Unfortunately i can not upload my PCN can you guide me as getting an error that "The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator."smallpdf-convert-20240923-150806.zip

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: September 03, 2023, 06:12:13 pm »

Quote from: John U.K. on August 27, 2023, 05:32:49 pm

THanks for the PM. Please post a copy of your reps here. Other than that, it's a waiting game for their response.

Did you get some sort of receipt/acknowledgement?

Will Post a copy of my rep here but meanwhile i have involved a local Cllr to help if possible and have been waiting for cllrs response too .

Just keeping my Finger crossed and hoping for the best .

Once again Many Thanks

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 27, 2023, 05:38:42 pm »

Quote from: cp8759 on August 25, 2023, 09:34:06 am

I have requested the CCTV, it should be available shortly on https://viewmypcn.co.uk/default.aspx

The two images you've posted above appear to show the opposite direction from the one you were travelling in, so I'm not sure of their relevance?

I can't see anything wrong with the signage as such.

Thank you for your input As suggested by John U.K i have appealed against a PCN and bought us some time .

I have checked on the linked provided but footage hasn't been uploaded yet

and yes you are right those images are from not the direction i was travelling in but i had traveled through in that direction as i wanted to go straight from there but due to that road marking i did not go straight and went along that road and soon after i noticed other drivers were going straight from the road with road marking instead of following right hence i came back from opposite direction and then made that turn to go through where i intended to go in first place .

Hope i am not making it too complicated .

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 24, 2023, 08:49:57 pm »

Quote from: John U.K. on August 24, 2023, 07:00:21 pm

It's a long 150 yards. Found the repeater on the bend and then the 'Ends' sign at
https://goo.gl/maps/7VoYiyh9oMC2w46N7

Have you got the video?

Without seeing the video it is very difficult to advise.
You can make reps online before midnight and they should re-offer the discount when rejecting.

You could try something along the lines of

Without sight of the video it is very difficult for the registered keeper to know if the driver committed the offence alleged in this PCN. PLease supply a copy of the video and place the discount on hold until I have had the opportunity to see it. Thank you.

BUT do NOT send this without an expert (I'm not one) chipping in.

Thank you for chipping in and giving your time and helpful advise .As you have rightly mentioned i have till mid-night so will wait for some time for any of the expert to give their opinion on what grounds i can appeal on .

Personally I still believe road marking is clearly inadequate/not clear

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 24, 2023, 06:53:00 pm »

Quote from: John U.K. on August 24, 2023, 06:40:12 pm

TSRGD now 2016
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/3/made
Sign 614 and notes

Sign 614 marks the beginning of the restriction.
It would appear that the plate below the sign may bear the distance the restriction is in force,
followed by one bearing a plate 'END' at the end of the restriction.
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"The have messed up the period for making representations, the regulations require it be date of service of the notice."

beginning with the date of service is correct for moving traffic offences.

Thank you for your prompt reply and i have now checked PCN on council website to check that which dose state under no U -turn sign FOR 150 yards.

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 24, 2023, 06:12:13 pm »

The newly installed 'No U-Turn Sign' at the junction with Clarence Road is supported by a plate bearing the wording; '150 yards' only and omits to indicate whether it has the meaning of 'for the next 150 yards from the position of the sign' or 'in 150 yards following the position of the sign'.

dose this argument will be valid at this stage as i have been trying to find all over The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 and other places but can not find any rules around no U turn sign , where it should be erected or dose it has to some yards before the road where U turn is prohibited to warn drivers

Please if possible share your valuable input/advise as today is the last day of making a representation ..

Plus i found this on Pepipoo

"The have messed up the period for making representations, the regulations require it be date of service of the notice."

Does this apply to my PCN

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 24, 2023, 04:45:04 pm »

Quote from: Pastmybest on August 24, 2023, 04:23:44 pm

please post the video the issue will be, did you leave the road or not

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https://www.harrow.gov.uk/parking-permits is the link where council has posted a photos but not a video and i did not leave that road .

Mainly i from my side i can only see that we can make an argument on road marking only but i could be wrong as you guys obviously know more rules than me .

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 24, 2023, 10:03:13 am »

@cp8756 please find attached full PCN

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 22, 2023, 09:37:55 pm »

https://imgur.com/a/O7bfzCs Link for the original PCN as i didn't receive any reply incase anybody wanted to see .

Google map location - https://goo.gl/maps/o4w1ykiH9QP8k1zN6
google map location of the sign i have posted a picture of from where i wanted to go straight into town -https://goo.gl/maps/DKM1j5tdRybxwtfNA

Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Need help with PCN for making U turn where prohobited

« on: August 21, 2023, 10:04:56 pm »

Hi Everyone ,

Unfortunately I have received a PCN from Harrow council for contravention 50U

https://www.harrow.gov.uk/parking-permits

BK22LWV

I have re-visited area and have managed to get some picture .

I had followed road marking at first and then realized other vehicles were going through on the road where i wanted to go so went along the road at first according to road sign and came back to go on to the road i intended to go and in that i had made a U-turn which did not turn out to be a good decision .

On a honest note i had missed that first sign and made a turn .

Can you guide me on what grounds can this be appeal and do i have any chance to get this cancelled ??

below are some photos which i believe with not clear road marking

https://imgur.com/a/0pxwUZh

Many Thanks

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