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Considering submitting the following London Tribunals Appeal. Appreciate any advice, as I know sometimes ChatGPT can get things horrendously wrong...



London Tribunals Appeal – Full Draft

Ground of Appeal: The alleged contravention did not occur and there has been a procedural impropriety



1. The Penalty Charge Notice fails to particularise the alleged contravention

The Penalty Charge Notice alleges contravention code 52M – “Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle.”

This description is generic and does not specify which class of vehicle was prohibited. A recipient of a PCN is entitled to know, from the face of the notice itself, the nature of the allegation they are required to answer.

In the Notice of Rejection, the authority now states for the first time that the location is:

“a road restricted to motor vehicles (except buses)”.

This information does not appear on the PCN. The enforcement authority cannot retrospectively clarify or redefine the allegation during correspondence. The PCN must contain sufficient particulars at the time it is served.

The failure to specify the prohibited vehicle class renders the PCN vague and prejudicial. I was not properly informed of the case I had to meet.



2. The authority relies on CCTV evidence which does not show the restriction relied upon

The PCN is issued on the basis of CCTV enforcement.

In the Notice of Rejection, the authority expressly states:

“Due to the positioning of the CCTV camera the signs are not seen in the CCTV footage.”

The authority therefore accepts that:
   •   the signage relied upon is not visible in the enforcement footage; and
   •   the restriction itself is not evidenced in the CCTV record.

While signage does not need to appear in every frame, where CCTV is the sole evidence relied upon, the authority must still demonstrate—by clear evidence—that the restriction was adequately signed and applicable at the material time.

In this case, the authority has provided no still images, diagrams, or other evidence showing:
   •   the position of the signs relative to the vehicle’s approach,
   •   their visibility at 01:07 hours, or
   •   how the restriction applied to my vehicle.

The Tribunal is being asked to accept compliance with signage requirements purely on assertion. That is insufficient.



3. Failure to properly consider representations

In my formal representations, I raised specific points regarding:
   •   the lack of particularisation of the alleged contravention,
   •   defects in the statutory grounds stated on the PCN, and
   •   the inclusion of non-statutory grounds elsewhere by the authority.

The Notice of Rejection does not meaningfully address these points. Instead, it contains a blanket assertion that:

“There has been no procedural impropriety by the Enforcement Authority.”

A mere assertion is not evidence of proper consideration. The authority is under a duty to genuinely consider representations made. That duty has not been discharged.



4. Prejudice caused by the authority’s approach

The cumulative effect of the above is prejudicial:
   •   The PCN did not tell me what vehicle class was prohibited.
   •   The CCTV evidence does not show the restriction.
   •   The authority clarified the alleged restriction only after the event.
   •   My representations were not substantively addressed.

This is not a case where the allegation was clear and the evidence compelling. The enforcement process has failed to meet the standard required by law.



Conclusion

For the reasons set out above, I respectfully submit that:
   •   the alleged contravention has not been proved, and
   •   the Penalty Charge Notice is unenforceable.

I therefore ask the Adjudicator to allow the appeal and direct cancellation of the Penalty Charge Notice.



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For convenience (you have been using the HTML link rather than the BBCode):

Thanks for your help with this, I didn't realise I was using the wrong URL link, will ensure I use BBCode in the future so it embeds properly.

You mentioned procedural impropriety? Failure to consider.

I did, I mentioned everything from your previous message (below)

Before you do anything please screenshot their website.

1. The PCN does not particularise which vehicles.

2. Similarly, neither do the images nor the video provided.

3. The PCN is invalid as it is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

· (v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable.

Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):

· (iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

4. The PCN contains one invalid ground re the Traffic Order being invalid.

5. Your website contains 3 invalid grounds.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN.

I am supposed to be retiring. I will PM you.

Thanks, appreciate any help with this.

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Response received 26/01/2026

NOTICE OF REJECTION OF FORMAL REPRESENTATIONS


<a href="https://ibb.co/ns0fLMvG"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/Z6JKMzPj/Appeal-rejection.jpg" alt="Appeal rejection" border="0"></a>

<a href="https://ibb.co/BHxRRR5Q"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/zWYwwwTB/Appeal-rejection-2.jpg" alt="Appeal rejection 2" border="0"></a>



A bit annoying but looks like they want to drag it out, do I have a case to appeal to London Tribunals here?

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Thanks for your help. Appeal submitted today, will keep you all updated...

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Image embedding does not seem to work at the moment.

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I believe I have everything required now before proceeding with the appeal.

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If relevant, these are screenshots of options when appealing PCN online.







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Before you do anything please screenshot their website.

1. The PCN does not particularise which vehicles.

2. Similarly, neither do the images nor the video provided.

4. The PCN contains one invalid ground re the Traffic Order being invalid.

5. Your website contains 3 invalid grounds.


Thanks for the advice above, just to be clear, what part of the website am I screenshotting? The details of the PCN or a separate area of the Havering website covering details on this traffic order?

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Just got back from being away during the holidays to find this lovely late xmas present in the post.

<a href="https://ibb.co/zHj2McPC"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/R4Z6FnQt/PCN-Havering.jpg" alt="PCN Havering" border="0"></a>


I'm a little bit short on time with the response as I only just opened the letter today, but doing a quick search on this forum revealed there was an identical contravention on the same street just over a year ago that went to appeal and was overturned.

<a href="https://ibb.co/zT3XxZLf"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/pBHfwdsX/Media.jpg" alt="Media" border="0"></a>

Video shows little more that can be seen in this picture, a vehicle being driven down this road with no clear signage indicating that it shouldn't be there.

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/2gti94Upp7ymq8Bz9

The other post I'm referencing is https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-council-no-evidence-of-pcn-contravention-shown-in-video-footage/

Wondering if there's anything in particular that makes my case different to that one and I'm actually just in the wrong here and need to pay up.

Appreciate any advice on this.


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Yes, I think you were correct.

Response came in the post yesterday;

NOTICE OF REJECTION OF REPRESENTATIONS AGAINST PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE
- The London Local Authorities Acts 1990 - 2003
Verification code: 97C515
Contravention code: 33H
Using a route restricted to certain vehicles local buses and cycles only.

Thank you for your representations received on 25/02/2025 regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN). Following my investigation I have decided to formally reject your representations for the reasons detailed below.

The enforcement camera recorded your vehicle in Tottenham Court Road using a route restricted to certain vehicles. In this case, the route was restricted to local buses only Monday to Saturday 8am-7pm.

This footage has been reviewed by a Civil Enforcement Officer who has confirmed your vehicle was in contravention of the restriction.

You have stated that the PCN was issued outside of the 28 day period and therefore invalid, however, this does not provide an exemption or sufficient mitigation to cancel the PCN.

With reference to the points, you have raised concerning the time frame in which this PCN was issued, I can advise you that the original PCN was sent to the registered keeper who are a hire company on 17/01/25. On receipt of the PCN they had notified us that the vehicle was on hire to you at the time of the contravention, and we had transferred liability for the PCN to you on 13/02/25. A PCN was subsequently issued to you on 14/02/25 and I am satisfied that the PCN was correctly served in accordance with the London Local Authorities Acts 1990 - 2003.

With the exception of local buses, vehicles are not permitted to travel in the route restricted to certain vehicles. The CCTV footage shows your vehicle using a route restricted to local buses only and I am enforcing this PCN

I have included CCTV images below for your reference and enclosed a photograph of the signage at the location. You may also view video footage of the incident online at camden.gov.uk/pcn.


I'll bite the bullet and pay up this time. Just for my reference, is there anything I should have said/ done in my initial appeal differently to improve the chances of this being overturned?

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Ok, I'm going to respond with the following today.

Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) Reference: CU6966

To Whom It May Concern,

I am writing to formally challenge Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) CU6966, which was issued in relation to an alleged contravention on 11/01/2025 at Tottenham Court Road W1 by the junction with Howland Street.

My appeal is on the grounds that the PCN was served outside the statutory 28-day period, making it invalid. Under Section 6, Subsection 1 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, a PCN must be served within 28 days from the date of the alleged contravention unless an extension applies. In this case, I received the notice on 14/02/2025, which is beyond the permitted time limit.

Since the PCN has not been issued in accordance with the legal requirements, I respectfully request its immediate cancellation. Please confirm in writing that this matter has been resolved.


Thanks for the guidance, I'll keep you updated with the outcome.

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It is… are they going to respond with the fact that this is the quickest they could have issued it?

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Council served me with the following PCN but the dates indicate something I remember reading on another forum about PCNs having to be issued within 28 days of the contravention, which this one does not comply with.

Date of contravention: 11/01/2025
Date of notice 14/02/2025 (how romantic..)

ChatGPT advises to respond with the following:

My appeal is based on the fact that the PCN was served outside the statutory 28-day period, as required under the applicable regulations. According to my understanding, a PCN must be issued and served within 28 days of the alleged contravention unless specific circumstances apply to extend this timeframe. In this case, I received the notice on [Date of PCN Receipt], which is beyond the 28-day period from the date of the alleged contravention.

As the PCN was not issued in accordance with the required time limits, I believe it is invalid, and I kindly request its cancellation. I would appreciate written confirmation of the cancellation at your earliest convenience.


Am I grossly mistaken or is there anything else I should be aware before firing off the appeal on these grounds?

Appreciate any advice.

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