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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet - Code 12 - Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone
« on: March 11, 2025, 10:00:26 am »
Thanks all, I ended up paying the PCN.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet - Code 12 - Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone
« on: March 06, 2025, 12:01:39 pm »They are unlikely to let you off this and we often see phone apps taking payment when they shouldn't - did you pay anything or did it just register a free period?
I just registered a free period. Not helping my case is it?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet - Code 12 - Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone
« on: March 06, 2025, 10:42:52 am »
The sign for residents permit also says from 5:30 and doesn't indicate am or pm, not sure if that makes any difference
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet - Code 12 - Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone
« on: March 06, 2025, 10:34:12 am »If you are the driver, then please tell us. Who was driving is irrelevant....
Hi @Incandescent, I was the passenger and I am posting on behalf of the driver who is the owner of the vehicle. Now you point out that it is parking from 5:30 onwards for residents only, the sign is starting to make sense, the paybyphone app allowing a booking threw us off at the time.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Barnet - Code 12 - Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone
« on: March 06, 2025, 09:38:44 am »
Hi all,
Upon entering the residential road of Yew Grove in Barnet, London in the evening around 7pm. The driver, a bit confused by the sign decided to park in the spot behind this sign leading onto the road.
To make sure it was okay to park, the driver checked the code 5836 on the paybyphone website and saw it was okay to park:
The driver even booked a virtual permit just to make sure!
The driver was parked behind the sign here where the bikes are https://maps.app.goo.gl/MnmoXKwLiZrhmLFX6. Because the driver parked behind the sign before the residential area it was assumed that it was part of the shared parking space.
Alas, the driver still got a PCN from the council not long after.
On the PCN it says the driver was parked approximately here
which is well before the sign onto the residential area.
In the photos taken by the council you can see the driver parked behind the parking sign.
The PCN received had the following information (I have also attached as an attachment):
Street: YEW GROVE, Resident permit holders only
Contravention Code: 12
Contravention: Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge
I believe the driver had valid virtual permit but not sure if that's for a residential permit or parking permit. Either way I believe the driver has been wrongly given a PCN. Would this be disputable?
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Upon entering the residential road of Yew Grove in Barnet, London in the evening around 7pm. The driver, a bit confused by the sign decided to park in the spot behind this sign leading onto the road.
To make sure it was okay to park, the driver checked the code 5836 on the paybyphone website and saw it was okay to park:
The driver even booked a virtual permit just to make sure!
The driver was parked behind the sign here where the bikes are https://maps.app.goo.gl/MnmoXKwLiZrhmLFX6. Because the driver parked behind the sign before the residential area it was assumed that it was part of the shared parking space.
Alas, the driver still got a PCN from the council not long after.
On the PCN it says the driver was parked approximately here
which is well before the sign onto the residential area.
In the photos taken by the council you can see the driver parked behind the parking sign.
The PCN received had the following information (I have also attached as an attachment):
Street: YEW GROVE, Resident permit holders only
Contravention Code: 12
Contravention: Parked in a residents` or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge
I believe the driver had valid virtual permit but not sure if that's for a residential permit or parking permit. Either way I believe the driver has been wrongly given a PCN. Would this be disputable?
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Private parking tickets / Re: CPM Parking TWO PCNs – Parking in Commercial Vehicle Loading Bay – Near Colindale Station
« on: March 04, 2025, 10:01:01 pm »
Just wanted to say thank you 
both the PCNs got cancelled
both the PCNs got cancelled
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Private parking tickets / Re: CPM Parking TWO PCNs – Parking in Commercial Vehicle Loading Bay – Near Colindale Station
« on: February 10, 2025, 09:32:23 pm »
Thank you, I have sent the email to UKPCM as described, but i get this error with the email address data.protection@dvla.gov.uk
This is the mail system at host CSSGW-A.dvla.gov.uk.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.
The mail system
<data.protection@dvla.gov.uk>: host
dvla-gov-uk.mail.protection.outlook.com[52.101.73.26] said: 550 5.4.1
Recipient address rejected: Access denied.
[AMS0EPF000001A0.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com 2025-02-10T14:56:13.604Z
08DD48A137825AEC] (in reply to RCPT TO command)
I have been scouring the web for a while but the most I could find is dataprotection@dvsa.gov.uk (I know it is not DVLA), other dvla email addresses (such as subjectaccess.requests@dvla.gov.uk
) or forms on the dvla website (https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/email) which lead nowhere. Other alternatives I can think of would be to call them or send a letter by post, options I don't think would be very useful. Would you be able to direct me elsewhere or provide an alternative email I could use please? thank you
This is the mail system at host CSSGW-A.dvla.gov.uk.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.
The mail system
<data.protection@dvla.gov.uk>: host
dvla-gov-uk.mail.protection.outlook.com[52.101.73.26] said: 550 5.4.1
Recipient address rejected: Access denied.
[AMS0EPF000001A0.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com 2025-02-10T14:56:13.604Z
08DD48A137825AEC] (in reply to RCPT TO command)
I have been scouring the web for a while but the most I could find is dataprotection@dvsa.gov.uk (I know it is not DVLA), other dvla email addresses (such as subjectaccess.requests@dvla.gov.uk
) or forms on the dvla website (https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/email) which lead nowhere. Other alternatives I can think of would be to call them or send a letter by post, options I don't think would be very useful. Would you be able to direct me elsewhere or provide an alternative email I could use please? thank you
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Private parking tickets / Re: CPM Parking TWO PCNs – Parking in Commercial Vehicle Loading Bay – Near Colindale Station
« on: February 09, 2025, 11:39:38 pm »
Hi @b789, apologies I was out this weekend but I would like to thank you for the very in depth reply, it's really put into perspective what they've done in issuing these two PCNs.
I have a few questions:
- You said "Besides the fact that neither Notice to Keeper (NtK) is PoFA compliant, which means that you, the Keeper, cannot be liable for the charge as long as the drivers identity is not revealed..." if the drivers identity was revealed in the letter, does this mean it is PoFA compliant? One of the blacked out parts may reveal "Dear..." would this affect any part of the appeal being declined?
- In the not very visible parking sign https://imgur.com/a/5waT4Bf, it mentions "Additional parking charges apply for each 24 hours parking period, or part thereof, that the vehicle remains in breach or if it returns at any time. The part that mentions "or part thereof, that the vehicle remains in breach or if it returns at any time.", does this mean the PCN can be applied continuously or would they, as you say, need to be compliant with PPSCoP which is a single issue per calender day? I feel like this wording means they can just give it out willy nilly, but I am not sure.
- In the emails you mentioned to send to CPM and DVLA and then "Send both those as PDF attachments to an email to the respective email address and also make sure you CC in yourself for each.", does this mean to send these as PDFs attachments (or email forward attachments(?)) to ICO?
Again, thank you very much, looking forward to reading your reply.
I have a few questions:
- You said "Besides the fact that neither Notice to Keeper (NtK) is PoFA compliant, which means that you, the Keeper, cannot be liable for the charge as long as the drivers identity is not revealed..." if the drivers identity was revealed in the letter, does this mean it is PoFA compliant? One of the blacked out parts may reveal "Dear..." would this affect any part of the appeal being declined?
- In the not very visible parking sign https://imgur.com/a/5waT4Bf, it mentions "Additional parking charges apply for each 24 hours parking period, or part thereof, that the vehicle remains in breach or if it returns at any time. The part that mentions "or part thereof, that the vehicle remains in breach or if it returns at any time.", does this mean the PCN can be applied continuously or would they, as you say, need to be compliant with PPSCoP which is a single issue per calender day? I feel like this wording means they can just give it out willy nilly, but I am not sure.
- In the emails you mentioned to send to CPM and DVLA and then "Send both those as PDF attachments to an email to the respective email address and also make sure you CC in yourself for each.", does this mean to send these as PDFs attachments (or email forward attachments(?)) to ICO?
Again, thank you very much, looking forward to reading your reply.
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Private parking tickets / CPM Parking TWO PCNs – Parking in Commercial Vehicle Loading Bay – Near Colindale Station
« on: February 08, 2025, 11:40:12 am »
Upon entering the residential road in the evening, the driver found a space that could hold three vehicles, there was a running vehicle in the first space, a parked car that was about to leave and a free space in front. The driver tried to look for signs whether it was allowed to park but couldn't and so the driver parked the car and went to drop something off to a friend. The visit ran over 15 minutes and the driver returned and drove off, there were no more cars parked behind him when he left. A few days later, I, who is the registered keeper of the vehicle, received TWO PCNs through the post, of the same offence within 15 minutes of each other.
Upon inspection of the offence, it seems it was a commercial vehicle loading bay, but the sign was tucked away on a wall somewhere, also as the driver parked in the far end, and there were two other vehicles behind, the writing that says 'loading bay' was not very visible and was quite clearly faint. It was also very dark, the street lights were not very well lit.
This is the street view park https://maps.app.goo.gl/LhgQaqTyRU51VJ8U9.
Here is the signage
I have attached the two PCNs as images.
Would it be possible to contest the second one as a continuous contravention? I know that might work for council PCNs but as this is private I am not sure. Would be even better if I could contest both (if possible).
Please let me know if I am missing anything else, thank you!
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Upon inspection of the offence, it seems it was a commercial vehicle loading bay, but the sign was tucked away on a wall somewhere, also as the driver parked in the far end, and there were two other vehicles behind, the writing that says 'loading bay' was not very visible and was quite clearly faint. It was also very dark, the street lights were not very well lit.
This is the street view park https://maps.app.goo.gl/LhgQaqTyRU51VJ8U9.
Here is the signage
I have attached the two PCNs as images.
Would it be possible to contest the second one as a continuous contravention? I know that might work for council PCNs but as this is private I am not sure. Would be even better if I could contest both (if possible).
Please let me know if I am missing anything else, thank you!
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