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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: June 13, 2025, 09:35:24 pm »
Looks like we did it! (Mostly you guys...)

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In terms of POPLA appeals, the burden of proof rests with the operator to provide clear evidence of the contravention it alleges occurred, and consequently, that it issued the PCN correctly. The operator has provided evidence of the vehicle parked on the site on the day of the parking event. The appellant has advised that the operator cannot rely on PoFA Schedule 4 to transfer liablity as the land in question is not relevant. The operator has provided excerpts from Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and the airport byelaws in the evidence file. The Byelaws describe areas within Stansted Airport in two ways: areas subject to traffic enactments, and areas not subject to traffic enactments. In either case, the land described would be subject to statutory control and not relevant land as defined within the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. In this case the driver of the vehicle is not known and as the operator has not provided sufficient evidence to prove that the land is relevant land I am not satisfied that it can apply Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 to transfer liability. Accordingly, I am allowing this appeal. I note that the appellant has raised further grounds for appeal in this case, however as I have allowed the appeal for this reason, I have not considered them.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: April 18, 2025, 01:23:26 pm »
Thank You.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: April 17, 2025, 04:32:58 pm »
Okay so MET has replied to POPLA with their "evidence".
They have also included a big PDF document with their evidence, which i can upload if needed? Ive replaced the name with KEEPER - FYI.
POPLA only give you 7 days to reply!

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In the appeal to POPLA KEEPER states that this is not relevant land and therefore PoFA 2012 does not apply, so we cannot seek registered keeper liability. As we have not been provided with the name and address of the driver of the vehicle, we are pursuing the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Please see our compliant Notice to Keeper in Section B of our evidence pack. Please also see a full explanation of why we may pursue the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012 in Section C of our evidence pack. As stated in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Relevant Land is any land that is not a) a highway maintainable at the public expense, b) a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority, or c) any land excepting the aforementioned on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control. Paragraph 3 subsection 3 states that parking is subject to statutory control if any statutory provision imposes a liability in respect of the parking of vehicles on that land. The Stansted Airport byelaws do not impose a penalty for vehicles parking within Southgate Park. We have included in section E of this evidence pack excerpts from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and also the Airport byelaws. The full airport byelaws may be viewed online at: https://assets.live.dxp.maginfrastructure.com/f/73114/x/46195467c9/stansted-byelaws.pdf In light of this, the site is not excluded by the definitions laid out in paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and as such is considered Relevant Land. In this instance, the driver was not entitled to the free parking period as they were not a customer and had not registered the vehicle. As advised on the signs, only customers are entitled to the free parking period, and they must register their vehicle on arrival. The driver did not make payment for their stay as an alternative and as such the parking charge was issued. This would not qualify under F.3(g) of the Appeals Charter as only Starbucks customers are permitted to park for free, and at no point has KEEPER  claimed that the driver was a customer or provided evidence to demonstrate that they were. The terms and conditions of parking are clearly stated on the signs that are prominently displayed at the entrance to and around the car park. These include that the car park is for the use of Southgate Park customers only and that to receive the 60-minute maximum free stay for customers, drivers must enter their vehicle registration on arrival. Visitors that are not Starbucks customers may pay to park for up to 3 hours by using the pay by phone service. As the evidence we have provided in Section E of our evidence pack demonstrates, the vehicle remained in the car park without being registered for the free parking period and no payment was made as an alternative. It remains the driver’s responsibility to check the signs where they park and comply with the stated terms and conditions. Therefore, we believe that the charge notice was issued correctly, and the appeal should be refused.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: April 02, 2025, 03:01:02 pm »
Fair point, thanks both.   8)

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: April 02, 2025, 11:08:14 am »
Thank You.

I just sent it off.
 
Although i don't think my local PM would care about Stansted, its useful to know how you would formulate such letter, i may need this in the future!
Waiting game now...

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: April 01, 2025, 10:56:20 pm »
Thanks so much, do you think i need to add exactly which section of schedule 4 refers to not relevant land, would that help?
( Paragraph 3(1)(c) of Schedule 4 of PoFA )

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: April 01, 2025, 04:32:14 pm »
Please can i have an opinion if above is a good start with POPLA.
Also, if the appeal with POPLA fails, will the outcome be simply to ignore it or pay £100?


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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 30, 2025, 10:38:09 pm »
I have found this from another topic, one from b789.
Could i use this if i slash it a bit? Apologies if this doesnt format the quote properly.

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Appeal Against Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Issued by MET Parking Services

PCN Reference: [Insert reference number]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert vehicle registration]
Date of Alleged Contravention: [Insert date]

This is an appeal by the Keeper of the vehicle and I raise the following points for POPLA to consider:

1. The Location is Not 'Relevant Land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
2. Failure to Address Appeal Points
3. Inadequate Evidence of Clear and Prominent Signage
4. No Legal Obligation to Identify the Driver or Assumption of Driver Identity

Grounds for Appeal:

1. The Location is Not 'Relevant Land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA):

The alleged contravention occurred at Southgate Park, which is located within the boundary of Stansted Airport. This boundary is confirmed by a Stansted Airport-issued map provided with this appeal. Stansted Airport is governed by airport byelaws, which constitute statutory control over the land. Paragraph 3(1)(c) of Schedule 4 of PoFA explicitly states that "relevant land" excludes any land that is "subject to statutory control," such as land covered by byelaws. Therefore, Southgate Park is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA.

While the land may be private and MET Parking Services may have been contracted by the landowner’s agents to manage the car park, this does not negate the fact that it is within the airport boundary and subject to byelaws. The existence of byelaws over the land places it under statutory control, as established by law. MET Parking Services’ argument that the land is not covered by byelaws is incorrect and does not override the statutory framework. As a result, MET Parking Services cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the registered Keeper. They can only pursue the driver, whose identity has not been disclosed. As the Keeper, I am under no legal obligation to identify the driver, and there can be no Keeper liability in this case.

2. Failure to Address Appeal Points:

In my initial appeal to MET Parking Services, I specifically raised the issue of the site being under statutory control and therefore not relevant land under PoFA. Despite this, MET Parking Services failed to address this critical legal argument in their rejection. Instead, they dismissed the appeal without engaging with the evidence or addressing the legal basis of my argument. This omission suggests their decision to reject my appeal was not based on a proper consideration of the facts or the applicable legal framework.

3. Inadequate Evidence of Clear and Prominent Signage:

MET Parking Services has not provided sufficient evidence that the terms and conditions were clearly displayed and visible to motorists. For a driver to have agreed to any contractual terms, the signage must have been legible, prominently positioned, and capable of being read before entering into a contract. Without evidence of the signage’s visibility and clarity at the time of the alleged contravention, the claim is unsubstantiated.

4. No Legal Obligation to Identify the Driver or Assumption of Driver Identity:

As the registered Keeper of the vehicle, I am not legally obligated to identify the driver. MET Parking Services has provided no evidence to identify the driver at the time of the alleged contravention. Since liability cannot be transferred to the Keeper under PoFA due to the site’s statutory control, MET Parking Services must pursue the driver—if they can identify them. Without such identification, their claim against the Keeper is baseless.

Furthermore, the POPLA assessor must not assume or infer that the Keeper was also the driver. There is extensive persuasive case law on this matter. In VCS v Edward H0KF6C9C [2023], HHJ Mark Gargan in his conclusion, stated in paragraph 35.3:

“It is consistent with the appropriate probability analysis whereby simply because somebody is a registered keeper, it does not mean on balance of probability they were driving on this occasion, because one simply cannot tell. For example, there will be companies who are registered keepers of vehicles where many drivers have the use of the vehicle from time to time. There will be individual employers who are the registered keeper but who allow a number of people to drive their vehicles. There may be situations where husband and wife are each registered keepers of their respective vehicles but for some reason drive the other. These are all possibilities which show that it is not appropriate to draw an inference that, on balance of probability, the registered keeper was driving on any given occasion.”

The appellant is explaining this point in detail because some assessors have in the past erroneously allowed MET Parking Services to claim that the Keeper was likely the driver without any evidence. MET attempts to mislead assessors by relying on a misleading and erroneous note in Annex C of the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice, which states:

“Liability
It is the driver that is liable for the parking charge.
NOTE: The driver is often the same person as the keeper and/or the hirer. Where a keeper or hirer fails or refuses to provide the name and serviceable address of the driver when requested to, it may be assumed they are the driver, based on that failure or refusal.”

This statement is contrary to the law, as explained in VCS v Edward. The Keeper’s refusal to identify the driver does not permit any assumption of driver identity. Any such inference would be legally baseless and improper. POPLA assessors must adhere to established legal principles and not be misled by incorrect interpretations provided by rogue parking operators.

Conclusion:

Southgate Park’s location within Stansted Airport places it under statutory control and excludes it from being considered relevant land under PoFA. The wording of Paragraph 3(1)(c) of Schedule 4 of PoFA is clear: land subject to statutory control, such as land covered by byelaws, is not relevant land. The official map of the airport boundary provided with this appeal confirms this fact beyond any doubt. Additionally, the registered Keeper cannot be assumed to be the driver, as supported by persuasive case law. MET Parking Services cannot hold the registered Keeper liable for the alleged parking charge. Their failure to address this fundamental point in their rejection of my initial appeal further demonstrates the inadequacy of their claim. I therefore request POPLA to uphold this appeal and instruct MET Parking Services to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 27, 2025, 10:19:42 am »
Got the final answer and a POPLA code, so i assume the next steps are to formulate a letter to POPLA based on the location argument. Are there any existing templates i can amend?


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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 11, 2025, 05:01:17 pm »
Thanks
I have sent this off.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 10, 2025, 05:16:28 pm »
Can clearly see whos got more experience writing these lol
Thanks so much, is it worth adding a bit at the end about issuing a POPLA code? How many times will they want to go back and forth...

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 09, 2025, 07:08:17 pm »
Something along those lines?


The Appeals Department
Parking Charge Notice XXXX


As per my previous letter,  MET cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control and MET will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because Stansted Airport is not 'relevant land'.
Below is a Stansted Airport issued map which clearly states that Starbucks is located within the airport boundary making it land under statutory control.
In addition, your Notice to Keeper (NtK) falsely states reliance on the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) when it cannot do so, putting you in breach of Section 8.1.1(d) of the Private Parking Sector Code of Practice (PPSCoP). This breach invalidates your KADOE contract with the DVLA, meaning you have obtained my data unlawfully, in direct violation of the Data Protection Act 2018. I request that you immediately cancel this charge.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 07, 2025, 09:24:43 am »
Thanks, i will draft something and put it here beforehand to get an opinion. Unless someone already has something i can adjust?


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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: March 06, 2025, 09:31:40 am »
Got this back today, bit blunt compared to other replies I've seen on the forums...


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Private parking tickets / Re: Stansted - MET Southgate Park Starbucks
« on: February 16, 2025, 12:23:17 pm »
Thanks all, i have now appealed. Will update you when i have a reply!

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