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If somebody could guide me where does it mention the following on the payment portal, it would be really helpful.
Another unlucky person in the same street IKTF bro
Literally you would found them in the bottom when you search for your PCN in the link below
https://pcnevidence.lambeth.gov.uk/pcnonline/index.php

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There are no statuory grounds of "procedural impropriety' in the LLA & TfL Act 2003 under which your PCN was served. You need to reword the text. The alternative is "the penalty exceeded the amount.....in the circumstances of the case"

Much appreciated for remind me the Act which I've no idea and quote the wrong one ;D
I just done all night researching post in ftla and play with ChatGPT, and I've got 2 more ground inspired by these 2 post and re-draft. Thanks in advance if you or anyone don't mind to help for a scan, love everyone. And fortunately I still got 2 hrs for sleep.
Ohh, and one more question please tell if I'm wrong, the deadline for representations will be 15th Feb as date of notice was 15th Jan, date of served was 19th Jan then add 28 days period?
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/southampton-cc-33e-using-route-restricted-to-cereain-vehicles-castle-way-bus-gat/
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/50l-prohibited-turn-no-left-turn-wandsworth-council/
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Formal Representation – The penalty exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case  – PCN [Insert Number]
Dear Sir or Madam,

Re: Penalty Charge Notice (PCN)
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert Registration Number]
Date of Contravention: 11 December 2025
Date of Notice: 15 January 2026

I make this formal representation against the above PCN on the ground of The penalty exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances pursuant to the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.

1. The PCN was served out of time

Section 4 of the 2003 Act requires that a PCN be served before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the alleged contravention.

The alleged contravention occurred on 11 December 2025.

The 28-day period therefore expired on 8 January 2026.

The PCN is dated 15 January 2026. Even allowing for deemed service (two working days after posting), service would have occurred on 19 January 2026.

Accordingly, the PCN was served well outside the statutory 28-day limit.

In the absence of any stated statutory exception (such as delay in obtaining keeper details), the enforcement authority has acted outside the prescribed time limit. A penalty charge demanded pursuant to a notice served out of time is not lawfully due.

2. Incorrect and conflicting statutory payment periods

The PCN states:
•   The amount of penalty charge which is payable is £160.00. The penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice.
•   If the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the charge is reduced by 50% to £80.00.
•   Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before end of the relevant period, London Borough of Lambeth may serve on that person a charge certificate to the effect that the penalty charge in question is increased by 50% to £240.00.

However, when accessing the Lambeth payment portal, the following statements were displayed:
•   “The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £160.00 on Wed, 4 Feb 2026. Please pay £80.00 now.”
•   “The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £240.00 on Sun, 22 Feb 2026. Please pay £160.00 now.”
These dates do not correspond with the statutory periods.

The 14-day period beginning with 15 January 2026 expired on 28 January 2026.

The  relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served (19 January 2026) expires on 15 February 2026.

The dates presented on your website (4 February 2026 and 22 February 2026) therefore conflict with the statutory deadlines prescribed by legislation and stated on the PCN itself.
It is well established that enforcement authorities must strictly comply with the statutory scheme. The provision of conflicting and misleading information regarding payment deadlines amounts to a procedural impropriety, as it misstates the recipient’s legal position and potentially prejudices their ability to make informed decisions regarding payment or representations.

In particular:
1.   The online system purported to extend the discounted period beyond the statutory 14-day period.
2.   The stated Charge Certificate escalation date did not correspond with the expiry of the relevant period.
3.   The inconsistency between the PCN and the online portal creates uncertainty as to which dates the authority intends to rely upon for enforcement.
Such discrepancies undermine the certainty required by the statutory regime and render the enforcement process defective.

3. Restriction to a single ground of representation – ambiguity and fettering

The 2003 Act provides that representations may be made on “one or other of the statutory grounds”.

Your online portal requires the recipient to select only a single ground when making representations.

The statutory wording is ambiguous as to whether multiple grounds may be advanced. That ambiguity must be resolved in favour of the motorist. There is nothing within the Act that expressly prohibits reliance on more than one ground, nor does it require an owner to limit themselves to a single basis of challenge.

By restricting the online system to one selectable ground only, the authority risks unlawfully fettering the right to make representations and misdirecting recipients as to the scope of their statutory rights.

Such procedural restriction further undermines the validity of the enforcement process.

Conclusion

For the reasons set out above:
•   The PCN was served outside the statutory 28-day period;
•   The enforcement authority has provided incorrect and conflicting statutory deadlines; and
•   The representations process unlawfully restricts the statutory right to make representations.
Accordingly, the penalty demanded exceeds the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case and must be cancelled.

If you do not agree to cancel the PCN, please provide:
•   A full explanation of why the PCN was served outside the 28-day statutory period and the statutory basis relied upon;
•   A full explanation of how the website dates were calculated;
•   Confirmation of the exact statutory provisions relied upon for those dates;
•   Clarification of the legal basis upon which the online system restricts representations to a single ground;
•   Evidence that the enforcement process complies fully with the 2003 Act.
I look forward to your confirmation that this PCN has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Contact Details]

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Sorry for being annoying, I'm afraid missing the deadline for representation, as English isn't my first language and not familiar with UK Traffic Act, just reside in UK 4 years ago.

I asked ChatGPT made a draft, could anyone please give hand for a look, appreciate for any help and advise.

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Formal Representation – Procedural Impropriety – PCN [Insert Number]

Dear Lambeth Parking,

Re: Penalty Charge Notice (PCN)
PCN Number: [Insert PCN Number]
Vehicle Registration: [Insert Registration Number]
Date of Contravention: 11 December 2025
Date of Notice: 15 January 2026

I make this formal representation against the above PCN on the ground of procedural impropriety pursuant to the Traffic Management Act 2004.

The PCN states:

  • The penalty charge of £160.00 must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice (15 January 2026).
  • If paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the charge is reduced by 50% to £80.00.
  • If the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28-day period, a Charge Certificate may be served increasing the charge by 50% to £240.00.

However, when accessing the Lambeth payment portal, the following statements were displayed:

  • “The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £160.00 on Wed, 4 Feb 2026. Please pay £80.00 now.”
  • “The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £240.00 on Sun, 22 Feb 2026. Please pay £160.00 now.”

These dates do not correctly correspond with the statutory periods beginning with the date of the notice (15 January 2026).

The 14-day period beginning with 15 January 2026 expires on 28 January 2026.
The 28-day period beginning with 15 January 2026 expires on 11 February 2026.

The dates presented on your website (4 February 2026 and 22 February 2026) therefore conflict with the statutory deadlines prescribed by legislation and stated on the PCN itself.

It is well established that enforcement authorities must strictly comply with the statutory scheme. The provision of conflicting and misleading information regarding payment deadlines amounts to a procedural impropriety, as it misstates the recipient’s legal position and potentially prejudices their ability to make informed decisions regarding payment or representations.

In particular:

  • The online system purported to extend the discounted period beyond the statutory 14-day period.
  • The stated Charge Certificate escalation date did not correspond with the expiry of the 28-day statutory period.
  • The inconsistency between the PCN and the online portal creates uncertainty as to which dates the authority intends to rely upon for enforcement.

Such discrepancies undermine the certainty required by the statutory regime and render the enforcement process defective.

In light of the above, I require that this PCN be cancelled on the ground of procedural impropriety.

If you do not agree to cancel the PCN, please provide:

  • A full explanation of how the website dates were calculated;
  • Confirmation of the exact statutory basis relied upon for those dates;
  • Evidence that the enforcement process complies fully with the Traffic Management Act 2004 and associated Regulations.

I look forward to your confirmation that this PCN has been cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Your Contact Details]

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Please screenshot the payments/representations page and report back. Then I will draft for you.
Just to update that's their web now look like, cheers pal
https://imgpile.com/p/QxtUMVZ

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You have a postal PCN, so you either need to pay it or submit formal representations.
I think Hippocrates atm striving on the draft to save me from Lambeth council

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Informal challenges are only submitted against a PCN served at the roadside, i.e a paper PCN served by a patrolling CEO, so are for parking contraventions.
Formal challenges are submitted by owners of the vehicle on receipt of a Notice to Owner, or a PCN sent by post.
Only when a formal challenge has been refused can one register an appeal at London Tribunals.
Thanks for clarify, then I should wait for formal challenge

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Just found another link about the challenge process, I'm not sure the different between 1. Informal challenge, 2. Formal representation and 3. Appeal to the Parking and Traffic Adjudication Service. But the outlook of the page was different with previous one :-\
https://www.lambeth.gov.uk/parking/parking-fines-and-penalty-charge-notices-pcns/appeal-penalty-charge-notice-pcn-or-removal-your-vehicle

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Please screenshot the payments/representations page and report back. Then I will draft for you.
Yes please, cheers Hippocrates, all in the link below
https://imgpile.com/p/JsanW4a

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Thanks Incandescent & Hippocrates for the advises.

I'd like to give it a try for representation about the wrong information on their website before pay for the trap they set, but just one little question, if I eventually loss the appeal would I've to pay in full or they will give another 14-days discount period please.
"He either fears his fate too much
Or his deserts are small
Who fears to put it to the touch
To win, or lose it all"
I think I'd like to fight for it, cheers

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Thanks Incandescent & Hippocrates for the advises.

I'd like to give it a try for representation about the wrong information on their website before pay for the trap they set, but just one little question, if I eventually loss the appeal would I've to pay in full or they will give another 14-days discount period please.

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Hiya hope everyone doing good in 2026

I’ve received a PCN date 15th Jan 2026 from Lambeth council (code 52m: Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle) at Kennington Oval.

I've searched the forum and found there's actual same case in the link below:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lambeth-code-52-no-motor-vehicles-kennington-oval/

My story was when I drove from Vauxhall station to Oval station, because of high traffic in Durham Street and Harleyford Road, google maps lead me to Vauxhall Street and Kennington Oval then merge back to Harleyford Road (I knew there's never a excuse nor reason for representations). I'm not lived around the area but I could remember last time I've drove the same route two years ago, every drivers drove this route to merge back to Harleyford Road, I've never got an idea that Kennington Oval was a prohibition road thus I'm not aware there's a signage. I think the signage was new, even I searched from google maps, back in June 2023 there's no such signage and it's a open road.

Please kindly advise any thing I could do to representation or should I just pay the PCN within discount period, many thanks.

https://imgpile.com/p/VyXrrKH
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1uWjCgnznhZk8RTT6

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That is a win. However, please do send the DVLA complaint. WE need to Mae sure that these rogue companies are investigated and that these complaints are logged with the DVLA for future reference.

You will likely receive a Step 1 response to the c complaint which will essentially be a fob-ff by the DVLA. However, let us know and we can advise on bow to escalate it to eh Head of Complaints at the DVLA in a Step to application.

Yup they did, what should I do to step 2

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Bluntly, the ones that apply to your case...

The obvious one that springs to mind is them claiming the ability to rely on Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act to recover the charge from the keeper, when the land on which the vehicle was parked is not "relevant land" for the purposes of that Act

Cheers DWMB2

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Here’s how to make a DVLA complaint:

[INSERT A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE BREACH(ES), e.g. failure to follow grace periods, misleading notices, refusal to engage with a complaint, pursuing a charge despite having evidence of disability or mitigation, etc.]

Would like to ask which reason(s) would be the best describe please, thanks

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NO. However, at some stage, Britannia will provide their evidence to POPLA and you will be given 7 days to respond. If/when they do, host the suitably redacted evidence pack on DropBox or Google Drive and we can provide a suitable rebuttal, which will be to POPLA, not Britannia.

Thanks b789, I got email from POPLA that Britannia cancelled the PCN, I gonna make the DVLA complaint in the next step
Once again, tyvm for your help

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Dear Mr XXX,

The operator has contacted us and told us that they have withdrawn your appeal.

If you have already paid your parking charge, this is the reason your appeal will have been withdrawn. Unfortunately, you cannot pay your parking charge and appeal, which means that POPLA’s involvement in your appeal has ended. You will not be able to request a refund of the amount paid in order to resubmit your appeal to us.

If you have not paid your parking charge, the operator has reviewed your appeal and chosen to cancel the parking charge. As the operator has withdrawn your appeal, POPLA’s involvement has now ended and you do not need to take any further action.

Kind regards

POPLA Team

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