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The Flame Pit / Re: Speeding Offence : Send a foreign driving licence ?
« on: January 18, 2025, 06:00:17 pm »
Let's try and make it a little easier to understand. Imagine that you hold your two licences and commit an offence for which you are disqualified from driving. You provide the court with (say) your Greek licence details. Do you think you can continue driving in the UK, despite a UK court having disqualified you from doing so, because you hold a GB licence which is "clean"?

You seem to be confusing what you are obliged or allowed to do with what you think you might get away with.

I completely agree that if a UK court disqualifies me, I must not drive—no question there. I certainly won't.  However, that scenario isn’t what I’m discussing. My hypothetical is just different: Let’s assume a UK driving licence already has 3 penalty points, and then I receive a typical speeding ticket (for instance, another 3 points). Would those points automatically be applied to my UK licence if I provide details from my EU licence instead?

Of course, in theory, the authorities could cross-reference everything and link the two licences. But in practical reality, given the high volume of daily fines, is it really so unreasonable to assume they’d rely solely on the unique licence number and not perform an exhaustive first-name–last-name–date-of-birth check? That’s the core of my question here—not whether I could ignore a disqualification issued by a court.


given the OP was clearly trying to educate everyone as opposed to getting advice. I suggest waiting to see hiw he gets on with his plan and see if he returns to tell us, truthfully (as, by his own admission he tells lies)

I wasn’t trying to “educate” anyone; I was simply making a reasonable assumption about how the police handle fines when provided with a licence number. If you view my reporting the licence as lost—purely so I could hand it over to the Greek authorities and reclaim my rightful EU driving licence—as a grave wrongdoing, then I’ll deal with that consequence if it ever arises.


Either way, I would like to thank everyone for your answers. I appreciate the time you've taken to share your thoughts.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Speeding Offence : Send a foreign driving licence ?
« on: January 17, 2025, 11:56:48 am »
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Clearly you know better than us. You certainly think you do.

Thanks for your response, but how about a reasoned counterargument over a snarky remark? All I’m saying is that, given the volume of fines police handle, it’s reasonable to assume they rely primarily on the driver’s name and licence number, rather than launching a comprehensive detective search for every matching first and last name. If you believe otherwise, I’d be interested to know exactly where you think my reasoning falls short.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Speeding Offence : Send a foreign driving licence ?
« on: January 10, 2025, 10:31:08 am »
Thank you all for your responses. Let me address this in two parts:

1.How I Ended Up with Two Licences
I understand that I’ve technically broken the law by falsely reporting my UK licence as lost, but this was done purely for technical reasons so I could hand it over to the Greek authorities. They informed me that they require the original licence to issue a Greek (EU) licence, regardless of whether the licence is from the UK, the U.S., China, or any other non-EU country. This is just the standard process in Greece for converting third-country licences to EU licences. Importantly, they explicitly stated that they do not send the handed-over licence back to the country of origin. For example, if someone hands over a U.S. licence to get a Greek licence, the U.S. authorities would never be informed, and the same applies to the UK. As the UK is no longer part of the EU, the old rule requiring only one EU licence per person doesn’t apply in this case. Therefore, no notification of invalidation or revocation would be sent from Greece to the UK.

2.Assigning Points to the Licence
Setting aside how I ended up with two perfectly valid licenses, when someone receives a fine, they’re required to provide their name and their driving licence number. While names like Jonh Stewart or John Smith might be common and appear thousands of times, driving licence numbers are unique and serve as the primary identifier. If I provide my Greek driving licence number when fined, I would assume that the penalty points would be loaded onto my Greek licence. For all practical purposes, the system would treat me as a completely separate individual holding an EU licence. I could very well be a tourist with the same name driving in the UK. The EU driving licence has no connection with any NIN or UK passport! And from their end how confident would they be to just arbritrarily charge a UK driving licence with points only from a name match? So in practice I am very confident that they will never be any link between these 2 driving licences. (For the purpose of this conversation we can set aside the ethical side of things  ;D )

In the unfortunate scenario that I do something stupid again and end up with a fine I will definitely update you all with the results of my attempt  ;D

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The Flame Pit / Re: Speeding Offence : Send a foreign driving licence ?
« on: January 09, 2025, 04:36:13 pm »
Thank you for your response! Let me clarify a couple of points:

1. Handing Over My UK Licence in Greece
The Greek authorities required me to hand over a valid driving licence in order to reissue my Greek (EU) licence. Simply requesting a reissue of my original Greek licence wasn’t an option. Since I needed to provide my UK licence to meet their requirements, I reported it as lost in the UK to ensure I could still obtain a replacement here while complying with the Greek process. This was the only way to satisfy their rules. Importantly, no law is being broken here because the EU rule allowing only one driving licence across member states no longer applies in this situation, as the UK is no longer part of the EU.


2. Accumulating Points on the UK Licence
When you receive a fine, you are required to provide a driving licence number. If I were to use my Greek (EU) driving licence number, I don’t see how the points could be applied to my UK driving licence. Theoretically, the authorities could check databases for individuals with the same name and date of birth. However, I would assume the primary method of assigning points is by using the driving licence number itself, which is unique to each licence. This means that, practically speaking, the system would treat me as a completely separate person when using my Greek licence.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Speeding Offence : Send a foreign driving licence ?
« on: January 09, 2025, 02:06:11 pm »

With all that beeing said, is choosing to disclose your foreign licence instead of a UK one, when receiving a speed ticket (without thinking of the reasons why that I mentionned on the first post), an offence, or is that then a grey area ?

I initially obtained my driving licence (car and motorcycle) in Greece. In 2015, I moved to the UK and exchanged my Greek licence for a UK one. At that time, the rule was that the country issuing the new licence had to send the original licence back to the country of origin. That’s exactly what happened, so the Greek online driving licence database showed my Greek licence as revoked (since the UK was in the EU at the time, and you can only hold one EU licence).

Now, in January 2025, I spoke with the public transport office in Greece, and they told me that to get a new Greek (EU) licence, I would have to hand over my UK licence. However, they also said that because the UK is no longer in the EU, they would simply keep the UK licence “in an envelope” rather than sending it back, and thus from what I understand an EU country does not inform in any way, shape, or form for the handed over driving licence so the driving licence remains perfectly valid in the UK.

Back in the UK, I reported my UK licence as lost. This was because in Greece they required me to hand over a driving licence in order to reissue a Greek licence. They were unable to simply reissue my original Greek licence, as they needed to physically receive a valid licence. That’s the reason I reported it as lost, allowing me to provide my UK licence to Greece while still obtaining a replacement in the UK.

So now I ended up with two perfectly valid driving licences—one from the UK and one from Greece (EU). The reason for doing that was  My UK licence already has 9 points (all from driving 24 mph in a 20 mph zone—clearly I didn’t learn my lesson  :'( ), so I only have one more chance before a ban.

Hopefully, I won’t be posting here again about another speeding ticket, but if I do get caught, I plan to use my Greek licence so those points go there, leaving the UK licence at 9 points. As estevenin mentioned, I’m not sure if this is technically illegal or just a grey area—but that’s the route I’m considering.

I know I am technically gaming the system, and if I do get another speeding ticket, I should pay the consequences. What I want to ask is: would it be technically legal to fill in my Greek driving licence if I get another speeding ticket so I load up that one instead of the UK one?

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