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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: February 14, 2025, 11:13:40 pm »
Letter arrived today. For reference it was Deputy District Judge Livesley who provided such a superb verdict. It just confirms two statements.
1. The judgement is hereby set aside.
2. The claim be dismissed asd the defendant produced evidence of payment.

The rest was about costs which are due to be paid on Monday.

I suspect I won't be getting that as adjudged.

Regards

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: February 03, 2025, 10:48:16 pm »
I'm afraid I didn't catch the judges name, but no doubt it will be on the formal decision when it arrives. I'll post it then. The case was heard in Chelmsford County Court. ECP was not represented at all, which I think really cheesed the judge off from the start. He was not very amused at all once he saw the parking evidence.

Thanks again for your support

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: February 03, 2025, 06:37:21 pm »
Afternoon all. Today was our Set-Aside court hearing. My dad offered to speak on my behalf but the usher refused. They also refused to accept The Payment Schedule for costs. Never mind.

Into the court, and the judge let my dad and a Citizens Advice volunteer sit with us. Euro Car Parks were NOT represented at all. The judge looked through our set aside application and said he had everything except our evidence of payment (he did) so asked if we had a copy. We did and supplied it to him. At this point things went badly for Euro Parks!

He berated them for not turning up, then stated he'd seen a host of these in the last five years that should never have made it there. Not only did he agree the set aside, but he also dismissed the case entirely. He asked about the payment schedule. So we told him about the fee for the set aside, the loss of earnings and travel expenses. He then said he was ordering Euro Parks to pay £428 by 17 February and to issue an apology. He apologised that they had wasted our time and thanked us for attending and providing the evidence he needed. He concluded by wishing me and my dad a very good day. I think we can call that victory.

Thanks to everyone for their comments and guidance on the way. I'm very happy.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: January 30, 2025, 08:53:39 am »
OK, so yesterday I received my date for the court hearing at Chelmsford, which is next Monday 3rd February at 2.10pm. I have written a note for my defence to read out in court. Would appreciate any views. I will also print and take evidence of parking and other salient bits and pieces incase needed.

Would also appreciate any information about how this session is likely to go please.

Thanks in advance.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 05, 2024, 12:16:37 pm »
Thanks very much for this. I will now prepare my letter/ defence argument which if you don't mind I shall share?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 05, 2024, 11:08:11 am »
Ok so I just checked. The letter on 20 November was from DCB Legal. They asked for my parking evidence. I did reply only to see if they had a copy of the N1SDT. They did and supplied it. I have not provided parking evidence to them.

On the same date (but posted) but only received  this week was a letter from Debt Collection Bailiff's (bit naughty to use DCBL Reference Number in the letter). It is titled DEBT RECOVERY REMINDER (Unpaid County Court Judgement). I have not responded to this at all.


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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 04, 2024, 10:32:19 pm »
Finally, the last two letters from DCBL in the last week have been to ask for my parking evidence and to chase the debt again. Given that I have paid for my N244 and this is now being dealt with by the court, should I engage with them?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 04, 2024, 10:30:12 pm »
Been at work so I'll answer the many replies (thanks) in order.

B789 at 9.06 - Correct. The N1SDT did/has not arrived in the post. I got it yesterday from DCBL by email. Having posted the response online, I received nothing in return from DCBL. All I've had since is the Judgment in Default and a couple of debt chases from DCBL including yesterday. My advice on the Letter of Claim response I got online from someone with a similar case.

B789 at 9.17 - yes I did receive the default judgment from CNBC. I have posted that already along with my N244 response.

B789 at 10.35 - Thank you. That sounds positive. I will be prepared for my hearing.

HC Anderson at 12.46 - Yes I expect my hearing to be in person. I have posted the letter saying it will be dealt with by the local court. I have kept every email and letter both sent and received since day 1. Including the original appeal rejection. I will have that all to hand on the day.

Thanks everyone.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 04, 2024, 08:09:17 am »
Sorry. With attachment

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 04, 2024, 08:03:08 am »
Ok. Been looking back through all my documentation again. Please understand that this is now over three years and over 30 interactions by letter or email. I hadn't quite understood the difference between the Claim Letter and Letter of Claim until I read back.

I DID receive the Letter of Claim on 26 June in the post. I did reply to that using the online form referred to in that letter. I did so on 17 July. I did not pay, but in the form (which I can't access now) I provided this response.

"You have now sent a Letter Before Claim. However, your letter contains insufficient detail of the claim and, again, fails to provide the photographic evidence which I requested as long ago as November 2021. It does not even say what the cause of action is. Nor does it contain any mention of what evidence your client intends to rely on, or enclose copies of such evidence.

This action on the part of your client is a clear breach of its pre-action obligations set out in the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct, with which as solicitors you must surely be familiar (and with which your client, a serial litigator of small claims, must also be familiar). As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction binds all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time.
I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. an explanation of the cause of action

2. whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper

3. whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012

4. what the details of the claim are (where it is claimed the car was parked, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated, what contractual breach (if any) is being claimed)

5. a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim

6. a copy of any alleged contract with the driver

7. a plan showing where any signs were displayed

8. details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)

9. a map of the boundary of the property

10. If they have added anything on to the original charge, what that represents and how it has been calculated.

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) – Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13 ,15(b) and (c) and 16. I will draw to the court the fact that I have expressly requested this information since as early as Nov 2021 yet your client has refused to provide it, saying that it will not do so until this matter reaches the court.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided"


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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 03, 2024, 09:16:13 pm »
I can't honestly say. Why would I not respond, having responded to the original PNC and then 30 other times as well as a SAR. If I'd received them, I'd have replied. I've just paid £308 for an N244 to go to court. I could have just paid the debt and not gone. Reason being I think they are wrong. Yes I might lose but this isn't right. Even now having gone to where they are, they are still asking me to provide parking evidence and hounding me with debt recovery threats. It's relentless. I'm sure they are a big organisation with loads of cash, but I don't want to lay down.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 03, 2024, 07:32:03 pm »
ANPR entry at 11.26 paid at 11.31. I can't pay while driving. Extended at 12.31 for two hours. Surely to god I can't be penalised for 5 ?mins while I park? Has to be the 7 mins at the end?? No?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 03, 2024, 06:55:58 pm »
To confirm, I never received The Letter of Claim OR The Claim Form in the post. The document I posted yesterday is the first time I've seen one of them. I've never seen the other.

This afternoon, received another chase for payment of debt from DCBL Legal. We already know this will be handled by the court when they determine a date.

I still have the evidence of the parking tickets themselves, which were attached to the N244 when I responded to the Judgement. I never intended NOT to pay for parking. I did pay. I have tried to engage Euro Parks and DCB over 30 times. Not sure why those two documents were never delivered, but they weren't. I will stand behind this all in court because I have no option. They are totally dismissive of anything I send. I just have to hope that a judge will see reason on the day. I have kept everything that has been sent and responded in over three years. Shows they are determined to chase small debt down.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 03, 2024, 03:13:08 pm »
Yes and Yes

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Private parking tickets / Re: Debt Collector chase after N244
« on: December 03, 2024, 12:24:24 pm »
The address on the form is my address.

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