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Thanks again for the help! Just providing an update that NCP has sent an email response to confirm they cancelled the charge.

 ;D




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Thanks for the detailed reply! Thought it was a stretch thinking the POFA timeline was overshot rather than exact, but agree that when considering service of delivery, it can't be assumed to have been served reasonably in the 14-day timeframe. I am also in agreement now that frustration of contract/payment system issues is a better focus for the appeal.

I will send an appeal using your suggested format, and await to see how they respond before updating the thread.

I am still considering to make a complaint to the landowners (Chobham Academy?), though I'm not sure if there is an precedent for them to cancel these.

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Hi all,

I have received an NtK by post at some point after the date served on 22/Oct/2025. Incident described was on 10/Oct/2025, and contravention is detailed as "Parked longer than the time paid for and liability for the same having been brought to the attention of the driver by clear signage in and around the site ( Stratford Chobham Academy ) at the time of parking". Their evidence is capture through ANPR, where they have the vehicle entering at 19:03 and leaving at 20:26.

Payment for parking had been attempted, the receipt for this is attached here. The time it was purchased was unfortunately later than when the vehicle entered as there were technical issues in accessing the NCP app and the account wasn’t allowing driver to go through the first screen. As they were attending a paid for football session the driver  resumed troubleshooting after 8pm, and vehicle stayed in the car park for 25 mins until payment for parking could be made. Otherwise vehicle would only have been parked for 1 hr between 19:00-20:00. 

Would I be right in saying that this can be considered non-POFA compliant, as the keeper wasn't notified within an appropriate period? The burden must lie on NCP to prove it has served the notice within 14 day period after the incident, if not they have lost the right to pursue the registered keeper and must pursue the driver. Also as a second point it should be made abundantly clear that a payment was in fact made, thus there is no financial loss to the parking company, and therefore no breach of contract has occurred.

Would focusing on these two aspects be enough for the appeal? Would appreciate any advice on how to best structure this and guidance on the stages I’ll have to go through to eventually cancel this. At this stage I also think a complaint to the landowner could be worth a try.

NTK Pic:


GSV Link (from 2019, signage has since updated):
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4xfJre4YT9PTQ5Rb7

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Hi all,

Just to give an update, the council have finally sent a response email to my reps, and have confirmed that the PCN has been cancelled.

This must have been a confusing case for them as they have not provided the findings or any reasoning for why it's been cancelled. A relief nonetheless.

I'll attach a copy of the response from the council if anyone is interested.

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This is the space they gave in the challenge form. They have a chatbot preceding that offers to write and send your challenge reasons in one swoop. Seems a bit suspect so I thought I'd have a go manually first.


Just went through the chatbot to see what it'd do when I gave the reasons, they emailed me a template as below:



Dear Newham Council Appeals

Penalty Charge Notice number: PN21109265

I wish to appeal against my Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).

I had a chat with your parking chatbot about the signs/road markings.

**EXPLAIN WHY YOUR PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE IS UNFAIR, FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU THINK A SIGN OR ROAD MARKING WAS FAULTY**

As evidence, I attach **EXPLAIN WHAT YOU’RE ATTACHING. EVIDENCE HELPS, FOR EXAMPLE A PHOTO OF A FAULTY SIGN OR ROAD MARKING**

I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours sincerely




Don't think I need to change my draft much tbh. In terms of evidence, what would be best to supply them? The picture from my first post with the sign in question has to be one. Is it worth showing the "Mon-Sat" sign and how far away it is from the bay the vehicle was parked in.

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This is the space they gave in the challenge form. They have a chatbot preceding that offers to write and send your challenge reasons in one swoop. Seems a bit suspect so I thought I'd have a go manually first.

Please see the draft below. Let me know if I'm missing any key information or if I should expand on anything.



Re: PCN - PN21109265

To whom it may concern,

I am writing to challenge the PCN issued to my vehicle, registration number LD11OPZ, on Saturday, 9th November 2024 at 12:55 PM.

I dispute the claim that my vehicle was parked without payment in a Pay and Display bay. The signage at the location clearly indicates that the parking restrictions apply from Monday to Friday, 9 AM to 5 PM. Specifically, the sign closest to the parking bay where my vehicle was parked, and which would be most visible to the driver in this bay, specifies these restrictions.

The PCN evidence provided by the Civil Enforcement Officer appears to misrepresent the signage. The sign cited as evidence for the contravention is located several bays away from the parking bay in question. Furthermore, the photograph included in the evidence seems to suggest that the sign was directly in front of my vehicle, which is not accurate.

I believe the signage at this location is clear and unambiguous. Any person would have reasonably relied on the sign closest to the parking bay, which indicates no payment is needed on Saturdays. The yellow delineators for the bay don't indicate to me a change in the restrictions across the spaces, it only indicates extra space for a disabled user to leave their vehicle.

I kindly request that your team review this matter, and considering the signage in that immediate parking. Also I would request if you could kindly cancel this PCN.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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Please post a GSV link to the exact location of parking.

Here it is here, as close as I could get it:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/xSCA7HNc3qjk6k29A

I'll probably look to draft the message for the challenge in the next few days. Ideally I don't really want to go back and forth with the council longer than needed, hopefully they get the message quickly.

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Hi,

My vehicle received a yellow ticket (PCN) from London Borough of Newham on Sat 9th November @ 12:55pm, the reason stated as parking without payment in a P&D bay. They've claimed that the "signage" states that the parking restrictions apply from "Mon-Sat 9am-5pm".

I don't think this is correctly applied as the sign closest to the vehicle states "Mon-Fri 9am-5pm", so there would be no need for the driver to pay online for a P&D ticket. The sign given as evidence for the contravention is actually 3-4 bays away from the spot the vehicle was parked in, and I don't see how it is clear how that sign would apply to this bay.

I'm thinking to make a challenge stating the signage is unclear and ambiguous, and so possibly doesn't comply with the Traffic Signs and General Directions 2016 act. The road markings don't make sense as there is a wheelchair symbol on the marked bay on the right (see Google Street link). Also, the CEO seems to make it out the "Mon-Sat 9am-5pm" sign is directly in front of my vehicle, which in itself is very misleading. 

I will attach the images uploaded as evidence, and a picture of the bay the vehicle was parked in on the day (with street location), along with the PCN.

Let me know if there is a case here, and if there is, how to proceed with the challenge to the council.



Image with Closest Bay Sign


Google Street Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xSCA7HNc3qjk6k29A

Relevant evidence from CEO




PCN Images


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