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I live in rural East Sussex and have visited a friend in North London a couple times over the years. My route always takes me through Blackwall Tunnel. I was very surprised this morning to receive a contravention oweing £90 for not paying the blackwall tunnel  charge.

I must have been totally oblivious on my drive as I didn't notice signs plus I have driven through it before without getting charged (pre the introduction of the charges)

Is there any hope of appealing on ignorance? I suspect I will get another one soon as I came back on the same tunnel the next day. but that letter hasnt arrived.


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I do not appear to be getting replies from B789, wondering if anyone else can advise on next steps. Thanks

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@b789 the following response was received on 05/02/2026 via email.  3 attachments of CCTV of car and one attachment called Parking Charge Notice (the usual stufd they send through the door)

Good Afternoon,

 

Thank you for your letter received 04/02/2026

 

Parking Charge refs: FP481691

Complaint ref: A39065

 

Your complaint has been referred to myself for review, please see my findings below:

 

Parking Charge FP481691 issued on 11/09/2025 at Bewl Water
Contravention – Not paid for the full duration of stay or not registering your vehicle
The vehicle with registration X15RAK was observed via the ANPR cameras entering site on 11/09/2025 at 06:46 and leaving on 11/09/2025 at 09:17. Total time on site 2 hours, 31 minutes, and 39 seconds. (Photographic evidence attached)
First Parking applied to the DVLA to request registered keeper details on 15/09/2025
DVLA keeper details received on 17/09/2025 and Notice to Keeper printed and posted on 17/09/2025. (please see attached)
As no payment, appeal or transfer of liability was received within 28 days of our initial correspondence, the case was referred to our appointed debt collectors on 23/10/2025.
DCBL are now administering the debt on behalf of First Parking
 

I have reviewed the photographic evidence, and I am satisfied that the Parking Charge was issued correctly and in accordance with the Code of Practice.

 

There is clear and sufficient signage on site advising motorists of the terms and conditions.

First Parking has processed the parking charge correctly and in line with the Code of Practice.

 

Due to non-payment, it was referred to debt collection on the 23/10/2025 and DCBL are now administering the debt on our behalf.

 

To answer the points in your letter:

 

The land on which your car was observed via ANPR camera’s is private land. Only the water/reservoir is governed by Medway Water/Southern Water.

 

Bewl Water is primarily managed and operated as a private leisure facility by the Elite Leisure Collection(part of the Markerstudy Group) since 2015, although the reservoir itself remains owned by the utility company Southern Water. The recreational grounds are privately managed.

•           Leisure & Operations: The leisure facilities, including fishing, water sports, and the aqua park, are managed by Elite Leisure Collection.

•           Water Authority: The reservoir and its water resources are controlled by Southern Water, serving as a vital public water source for Kent and East Sussex.

 

The parking charge has been issued under PoFA and is compliant.

 

In summary, I am satisfied the parking charge had been issued correctly at the time and in accordance with the signage in situ.

 

We have reached the end of our complaint process, and my response now concludes our complaints procedure. I trust you will appreciate that there will be no further review of your complaint.

 

Yours Sincerely,

 

Kelly Arnold

Account Manager

 

www.firstparking.co.uk


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@Broy life really got in the way last few months but for what its worth I finally sent the letter off today exactly as you wrote.  Of course they had sent me yet another letter threatening legal action which I have ignored.

Will wait to see what they reply and share it here.

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Thank you, will do.

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Hi B789

Firstly thank you for taking the time to research a proposed solution for me. I am really sorry if it came across as I had wasted your time. I only have made two posts on this website, the other of which I followed your advice word for word (you can see it in my post history)

I posted in two places the same thing (here and MSE) because I thought there was some time pressure and did not know how long replies would take so tried to cast my net out wider in the case that one responded faster than the other.

I read your reply in full and although much of the technical jargon was a bit over my head I was very happy to send that. However, on the MSE sticky there was a suggestion that before any of these angles it would just be easiest to contact the retailer first which is the least threatening. Hence, I picked this option as it had the least friction.

I am sorry!

I appreciate your insight and willingness to help. Now the advice has been suggested not to speak further with DCBL so I will not send the letter anymore and I will wait for the letter of claim and come back here.

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Thanks for your answers. Apologies but I did not send the letter above. I opted for another forum advice of first contacting Bewl Water themselves and asked them to cancel this as it was predatory. They said they would look into it and never got back to me then I received this letter yesterday.

On the next letter I receive from DCBL, I will post the letter above to them. Or do you think I should just post it now before they contact again?

Thank you for your help.

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Hi,

Registered Keeper followed the sticky advise and first emailed the managing agent of Bewl Water to tell them about this charge to dispute and request cancellation. They replied to say they would look into it but never got back.

Now just today I have received this letter from DCBL...

What do I do? Stressing me out.I still dont even understand what this charge is about based on thread above.

Pic link here:

https://ibb.co/cXvg7TWF


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The Bewl Water FAQ itself says parking is charged from 08:00:

https://www.bewlwater.co.uk/faq/

Registered keeper has now received a £100 PCN from First Parking LLP for Bewl Water.

The notice says the car entered at 06:46 and left at 09:17 (151 minutes). The allegation is that payment wasn’t made for the full duration.

The alleged driver has a Ringo receipt showing payment from 08:03–09:03. The car left at 09:17.

So it looks like 3 minutes late to start and 14 minutes over at the end. But surely there should be a grace period either side?

It’s highly confusing – the website itself shows 08:00, which is exactly why payment wasn’t made before then. Registered keeper has no idea what this clear signage is outside Bewl Water about private land that letter aludes to. Keeper is only aware that there is on grounds parking which begins at 08:00 which was largely respected.

To make things worse, the letter is dated 17/09/2025, but it was only found on the doormat this morning (27/09/2025). It says the £100 full charge must be paid by 01/10/2025 at 11:42am, which doesn’t leave much time to deal with it properly.

How does this add up to a £100 bill? It makes no sense at all.

https://ibb.co/NgxGH8K8

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Thank you, I will give an update when the time comes.

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Thanks both. Just to check my understanding so far:

- I don’t need to take any immediate action and can ignore the 19th April deadline in the Letter of Claim, unless I receive a County Court claim form (N1SDT) from the CCBC.
- If that happens, I’ll redact my name, address, claim number and MCOL password before posting it here, but leave the dates and PoC fully visible.

I haven’t yet sent the robust response to BW Legal as outlined in the MSE Newbies thread (disputing the debt, requesting a 30-day hold, asking the two questions about VAT and damages vs contract). I’ve also not submitted a complaint to the landowner.

Should I be doing both of those now, and in what order? Just want to make sure I’m following the right steps.

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Hi there,

I have just received a letter from BW Legal informing me they are chasing a fine for their client: "Smart Parking Ltd"

I have never heard of this fine and likely letters were sent to an old London address which I have not lived in for a long time and only recently changed my V5 etc to the new address.

I have checked this contravention on the smartparking website. It looks like it occurred on a Sunday in a private car park above a bicycle shop. My memory is hazy but I probably went to the shop and accidentally parked in the private bay rather then the bicycle shop bay as there are some bays for each. They have attached two images which are very dark (basically black) with nothing but a zoomed in image of my reg plate.

The letter has multiple pages giving me payment plans but says that "the reason your case would escalate to country court is a failure to pay the sum set out in the letter of claim before 19th April 2025" and that "our client has no authorised us to take legal action to recover the sum due to them" and that "if on expiry of this letter your case proceeds to County Court you will incur further costs"

I'm really not sure what to do here and dont want to respond to them before seeking advice on here.

Thank you.

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FURTHER UPDATE

I believe I was manipulated into paying CDER group. The enforcement agent told me that between the time TEC respond about my appeal and now, my car is still on an active search and will be towed if found. He suggested it was better to pay the fine of the latest CDER fine of £424 and then when TEC approve my case I can get a refund through Council.

In speaking to Council they do not take any liability now that I have paid.

They said they did not know what CDER group was talking about regarding this and this is not how it works.

I am now £424 out of pocket and trying to contact TEC on phone to see if CDER group can issue refunds or I can appeal it. Unlikely.


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URGENT ADVICE NEEDED ASAP - PLEASE HELP

Following on from the above thread, I was given a deadline of 6th November to pay CDER. I sent traffic tribunal a TE9 AND TE7 prior to the deadline date and then also sent CDER group an email telling them that I acknowledge their letter and deadline however I have taken action to speak to tribunal regarding the address mishap.

Today, 9th nov, a bailiff went to my mother in laws house and left a giant red paper saying the bill was now £460 and that they would clamp and tow the car if found. They gave me a mobile number to ring.

I freaked out and called the number and spoke to the enforcement agent this evening. This was probably a bad idea but I was pretty anxious.

I mentioned the whole situation from the beginning and that I did not live at the address you are searching and that I have contacted tribunals etc within the deadline so why are you looking for me. 

I mentioned the logbook was incorrectly addressed to London which is the cause of the issue. The bailiff said he understood and believed that I would likely get a refund when TEC read the statement.

HOWEVER, he has said DESPITE the above, that the car is still on an active warrant and if found it will be clamped and likely towed until tribunal come back which could be weeks.

The bailiff now also nows that my V5C is logged to the correct home address, meaning they can come to my actual house any time and grab the car on my drive.

I mentioned I wanted to speak to council on Monday, as I had been advised never to pay CDER group in advance and that getting monies back is hard.

He said "everyone says that" but in reality if you do pay and your Tribunal comes back positive, you will get refunded anyway by the council, if my case is strong, which I believe it is.

He seemed to be nice but I felt like he was trying to guilt trip me into paying with reverse psychology and now I am highly paranoid.

He did assure me that I can get refunded on this amount of council chooses to cancel this after the tribunal respond.

I dont know what to do now. Do I wait until Monday to speak to council or do I just pay this, get my car off their register, and then carry on with my case and see if I can get refunded. I am worried I will wake up tomorrow and go to my drive and the car is gone.

Please advise asap.

Thanks in advance.

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FYI, I have heard back from the council with below. They want me to fill out a TE9 form and a witness statement to explain the situation and submit it to tribunal. Once tribunal receive they will pause Bailiffs and Bailiffs will notify council too, until a decision is made.

I will have to just play the sorry card and explain the address issue. If there are any comments about how I should write this letter please do send them asap as I have a deadline of tomorrow morning 6am to pay bailiff.

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Traffic Management Act 2004
Thank you for contacting us.
Your case is out of our hands: the Debt Recovery Agent now have a warrant to recover the money from you.
We sent you a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) because our camera evidence shows your vehicle in Mount
Pleasant Road bus lane/gate at a time when only buses are allowed there. All this evidence is available to view
online.

If you wish to pay or contact someone, contact the Debt Recovery Agent. They are: Mid Kent Enforcement
Services (MKES) enquiries@midkentenforcement.co.uk or call 01622 602599.
You have stated you didn’t receive the original letters and weren’t aware that these had been issued but have
now been contacted by our enforcement agents. I can confirm DVLA provided us your address which all the
required statutory documents were sent too.

Without payment or an appeal, the case has progressed to the debt recovery stage. Our debt recovery agents
appear to have traced and contacted you. They apply additional charges to the original penalty.
The only advice we can give is to visit the Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC) website (detailed below) and
complete a Witness Statement (Form TE9).

https://www.gov.uk/appeal-against-a-penalty-charge-notice/court-order
The section you need to go to is: “How to challenge”, and select: “a moving traffic contravention outside of
London if your fine was issued on or after 1 June 2022 - use form TE9”. Please show evidence that you have
contact TEC to the enforcement agent.

Once TEC receives the TE9, they will ask us to put the case on hold and issue a Revoking Order (RO). When
we receive the RO, we will re-issue the NtO to the contact details you provided in the TE9. At that point, the
PCN will revert to the appeals stage and charge level (£70), and you can either pay the PCN or submit a
formal challenge.

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