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Hey all.

I am about to submit the above appeal as it is 28 days after the notice was sent - would be great to know if it has the blessing of my elders and betters!

Thanks

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Thank you to everyone who has contributed. Unfortunately, I don't think I am going to be able to get time off work to take pictures.

I have written an appeal and will send it the day before the appeal period expires:

Appeal

I appeal as the registered keeper.

The driver has not been identified. I am under no obligation to identify the driver and will not be doing so.

Your Notice to Keeper does not comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

The Notice to Keeper does not contain the mandatory warning required by paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4. It does not warn the keeper that, if after the relevant 28-day period the parking charge remains unpaid and the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will have the right to recover the unpaid charge from the keeper, if all applicable conditions are met.

Instead, the notice merely states that "further recovery action will be taken to secure payment". That is not the warning required by paragraph 9(2)(f), and it does not create keeper liability.

As keeper liability has not been created, you cannot hold me liable as registered keeper.

In addition, parking had been paid for covering the relevant period. The allegation is "Restricted Area", not non-payment or overstay. It is disputed that the signage and markings made clear that bay 29 was a restricted/Premier bay, or that a £100 charge would be payable. The vehicle was parked within a marked bay during what appeared to be a busy period at the station car park. The "Premier Parking" marking appears to be on the roadway rather than within the bay itself, and the markings/signage do not appear sufficiently prominent or clear from a driver’s perspective when entering and parking in the area. To the extent any roadway marking was present, it appeared faded and was not sufficiently conspicuous to clearly communicate that the bay was subject to a separate restriction carrying a £100 charge.

Please cancel the charge or issue a POPLA code.

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Thanks for your replies.

Unfortunately not as Bishops Stortford is about 35 miles away (through London) although if you feel it's crucial I could make a trip there

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Hi all,

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and have received a Parking Charge Notice from National Car Parks Ltd.

Details:
Operator: National Car Parks Ltd / NCP
Location: Bishops Stortford Station car park
Alleged contravention: Restricted Area
Incident date: 30/04/2026
Date of sending notice: 05/05/2026
Amount: £100, reduced to £60 if paid within 14 days

I have not appealed yet
The driver has not been identified

Parking had been paid for covering 7 days. This was not a non-payment or overstay issue. The alleged contravention is "Restricted Area", so the dispute appears to be whether bay 29 was clearly marked/signed as a Premier/restricted bay and whether the driver would reasonably have understood that the paid parking did not apply to that bay.

NCP's evidence photos show the vehicle parked in bay 29. The vehicle appears to be parked wholly within a marked bay. NCP's photos also show signs stating "This parking area is restricted for authorised Premier Parking Only" and "PREMIER BAY PARKING ONLY - Authorised users only."

The car park was busy, and the driver was driving around looking for a space. From the driver's perspective, it was not obvious that bay 29 itself was a Premier/restricted bay. The "PREMIER PARKING" wording appears to be painted on the roadway rather than inside the bay itself.

I have also found a Google Street View image which appears to show the relevant row of bays. It looks like "PREMIER PARKING" is painted once along the roadway in front of the row, rather than inside each individual bay. It appears fairly worn/low contrast and I am not sure how clear it would be to a driver manoeuvring in a busy car park, particularly if vehicles were already parked nearby.

Google Street View link showing the relevant row/bay area.

I would appreciate advice on the best way to approach the first appeal.

A few questions:

1. Is the Notice to Keeper wording important here, particularly where it refers to "further recovery action" rather than clearly warning about keeper liability under POFA?

2. Do any different rules apply because this is a railway station car park / railway land?

3. Does it matter that the Notice to Keeper was dated/sent while the paid parking session was still ongoing?

Thanks.

Images:
https://ibb.co/wFBpy0MM - PCN Front
https://ibb.co/wh17D6Wg - PCN Reverse

Provided by NCP
https://ibb.co/j9PgmFSN
https://ibb.co/KpckCPx3
https://ibb.co/XrVHDQgy
https://ibb.co/8ZPYnm0
https://ibb.co/mr54cNCB
https://ibb.co/xKMMT4Pq
https://ibb.co/JjvsCPkH
https://ibb.co/sd94VfqZ
https://ibb.co/Mxbd0Y2L
https://ibb.co/GfNkdztG
https://ibb.co/nq3B5Tx9
https://ibb.co/pBSQN9Mv
https://ibb.co/Kj7zthvr
https://ibb.co/wZy3jNNm
https://ibb.co/dJzQfpDt

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Thank you.

Looks like I passed that as I went into Eastfield Road and then turned right and right again to get back to where Cairo Road rejoins Church Hill (which is where I parked)

Am I SOOL?

Thanks

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Thank you.

Would my representation be along the lines of

1.There was no signage
2. Please establish I saw the signs on the way into the zone?

Thanks

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Hi Guys

Thank you for reading

Firstly I would like to apologise for leaving it so late to post this (today is the final day I can pay/ appeal before the price doubles to £160.00)

I feel this is quite an unfair charge as I was parked on a single yellow line and there were no signs nearby to indicate any restrictions - does this not mean that the hours of restriction end at 18:30? (I am aware this could be a misapprehension)


All of the available signs were highly faded and had nothing legible on them. The signs are visible in street view but were not on the evening I parked. To the point there was no signage at all within 30-40 meters (guessing)


The pictures are as follows:


Front of ticket


Reverse of ticket



Street View
https://maps.app.goo.gl/R9oAYD32xdEyCpjD9


Faded Signage







Images taken by the Council






Am I correct in thinking my appeal would be that I was parked and there was no signage to suggest any restrictions? I don't know if this 18:30 thing is a default (unless stated otherwise on signage).

Any help/ advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: February 10, 2025, 01:53:12 pm »
Thank you so much once again.

Sorry, I thought the decision was binding. I am a bit clueless about this stuff, so really appreciate your help here.

There was some more information I left off:

Assessor Name: Gayle Stanton

Assessor summary of operator case
The operator has issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) because the vehicle was parked on the site and the driver failed to make payment.

Assessor summary of your case
The appellant has raised the following grounds of appeal: There is confusion caused by the conflicting roles of, and Hozah Ltd regarding, ANPR data collection and processing, and the failure to mention Hozah Ltd in the NtK. The main signs did not mention the requirement to enter the VRN into a tablet, making the PCN unfair. The CRA 2015 sets out requirements for transparency and fairness, as well as the SCoP’s obligations to provide clear, readable signage; the conflicting and missing information on the signs is a breach of these requirements.

Furthermore, the driver, having left the vehicle with a mechanic, was not informed of the VRM requirement and could not be reasonably expected to comply with this undisclosed condition. The separate signs do not include the UKPA’s name or the BPA logo. As a result, these signs cannot form part of the contractual agreement, meaning that the PCN issued for "non payment" (based on the failure to enter the VRM) is not enforceable. This constitutes a clear breach of the SCoP and reinforces the overall argument that the terms were not properly communicated to the driver.

In the comments, the appellant advised that the operator failed to address four of the five points raised, adding that this is a very predatory practice aimed at preying on unsuspecting customers of the businesses on the site, with the mechanic making no mention of this issue. The appellant provided the following evidence: Photograph 1 of 5; Image 1 of 5 – Signage at the Car Park; Photograph 2 of 5; Photograph 3 of 5; Photograph 4 of 5; Photograph 5 of 5; Notice to Keeper dated 08/10/2024; and Appeal Rejection dated 16/10/2024.

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: February 10, 2025, 12:23:43 pm »
Hi

Thanks for your help. I was unsuccessful. Probably didn't do the appeal properly, but thank you for your help.

It's insane that I was a genuine customer at the mechanics and still got fined... :(

I have included the response from POPLA in case it can help anyone with any future challenges:

When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The operator has provided evidence of the vehicle parked on the site for two hours and 57 minutes on the day of the parking event. The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. The appellant states that the signage is not compliant with the Single Code of Practice. The operator has indicated in the case file that it is compliant with the BPA Code of Practice so I will be assessing the case using this.

Section 19.3 of the code states that signs must be placed throughout the car park so that drivers have the chance to review the terms and conditions. The code confirms that these signs must be conspicuous and legible and written in intelligible language so that they are easy to see read and understand. The operator and the appellant have provided multiple images of the signs within the car park and after reviewing these, I am satisfied that there are plenty of signs located within the car park and that these signs meet the requirements of section 19.3 of the Code of Practice. The signage on the site clearly advises that payment is required and this is supported by the appellant’s images as well.

I have reviewed the appellant’s images of the signs within the premises however the terms and conditions apply to all users of the site including patrons. Therefore, if there was an exemption for genuine customers this would be displayed on the signage. In this instance it is users of this site who are expected to comply with these terms and conditions and that payment is required via Hozah.

While I note the appellant’s comments regarding Hozah, this is a parking services company, which allows payment for parking to be made at certain facilities. While the operator allows payments to be made via this method, it bears no responsibility for the service. The parking operator is UK Parking Administration and not Hozah therefore there no requirement for Hozah’s details to be included on the PCN. The parking contract undertaken at the site is between the operator and the motorist, not with third party organisations at the site and the operator has been employed by the landowner. The landowner and any retail businesses located on the site are usually separate entities, and the terms of the site are agreed between the landowner and the parking operator. The responsibility is that of the motorist to ensure that the terms and conditions at the site have been understood and agreed prior to entering into a contract with the operator.

It is important to note that employees at the facilities are not obligated to bring the terms and conditions detailed on the signage offered to the public’s attention, the onus is on the motorist to make themselves aware of the contract that they are entering into with the parking operator. Further, if the appellant was unsure or had any query about the information given to them this could have been queried this with the parking operator directly using the number on the signage in order to provide the assurance needed directly from the parking operator that manages the site and not a member of staff employed at the facilities. Any dispute that the appellant has in respect of the information or advice given by a member of staff on the date in question would be a third party dispute to pursue outside POPLA’s appeal service.

Section 17 of the Code recognises that drivers are more frequently required to enter their vehicle registration when paying for parking or registering for a permit. Section 17.4B requires the parking operator to have a process for dealing with major keying errors. Where the motorist has proven they were a legitimate user, it requires the parking operator to offer to reduce the amount of the PCN to £20 if it can be shown that the driver was a genuine user of the site. In this case the operator has acknowledged that the appellant was a legitimate user on the site and offered tor reduce the charge to £20 on 16 October 2024.

The appellant has provided a copy of this letter and I am satisfied that the operator has complied with Section 17.4B in this case. The appellant has declined this offer and appealed to POPLA. The appellant has advised in the comments that the operator has not rebutted their grounds of appeal however I am satisfied that the information the operator has provided sufficiently rebuts the appellant’s grounds of appeal. The appellant may need to contact the operator directly if they require any further clarification.

After considering the evidence from both parties the vehicle was parked on the site and the driver failed to make payment and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. Based on the evidence provided, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly therefore, I must refuse the appeal. This means the appellant is required to pay the full parking charge to the operator.

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: November 06, 2024, 10:09:46 am »
Understood. Thank you very much.

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: November 06, 2024, 12:54:53 am »
Thank you, I have submitted a POPLA appeal based on the points you raised.

They have replied with an Operator Statement, and now I have 7 days to respond to this.

Is it worth pasting in what they have said, or shall I just respond to the case by saying I wish to continue with the appeal and look forward to the adjudication?

Thank you again so much

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: October 28, 2024, 06:44:02 pm »
Thank you so much for your comprehensive response.

UKPA's letter to me said that I have cannot appeal any more and have to go straight to POPLA.

Would it be worthwhile to write back to them outlining the points you mentioned above, hopefully making them want to drop the case before it escalates to POPLA?

Or would you just go straight to POPLA?

Many thanks!

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: October 25, 2024, 10:31:49 pm »
Still no reply from the mechanic.

Signage from the car park:







I noticed this outside the garage. They never mentioned anything to me about a tablet or anything like that.



Thanks again all for your help

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: October 25, 2024, 12:35:34 pm »
I tried calling him and he didn't answer. I sent a whatsapp and he's not read the messages.

I will go back there tonight and get images of his business (which may be closed for the day) as well as the signage. I have a feeling he's either subletting or there's some other dodgy arrangement going on. I did not get a receipt for the works. Silly me :(

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Private parking tickets / Re: UKPA - Non Payment - Cable Depot SE18 5NX
« on: October 24, 2024, 11:39:39 pm »
Not yet, I will.

I hesitated because I am not sure how helpful he might be, just the vibe I got off the guy. But I will send him a message tomorrow and see if he can help verify with UKPA that works were being carried out on the vehicle during that time.

Cheers

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