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Thank you. I will do what I can
However, I never got to an visual phone app. It was all voice commands, and field entries on my phone which why it was difficult (fat fingers didn't help). The only thing I have is my call history. I'm am not sure how to copy that so it can be posted

I parked in a pay-by-phone bay. It is not something that I can recall ever doing. I (or my young son) had, seemingly, downloaded the app at some point in the past, I was surprised to discover. When I tried to login, I could not remember the password as I had never used it or, at least, I don't recall ever downloading the app and setting up an account
The computer did not help by not stating the parameters of the password and it took some time to request one
I have found 3 calls to the pay number between 12:47-12.51 in an attempt to enter the account and book 2 hours parking. I thought I had achieved that and was shocked to find the PCN when I returned to my car around 14.40h.
I cannot find any confirm from the app but, not being familiar with it, had no reason to expect one. In addition, I was in the cinema and my phone was switched off
It seems that my payment did not go through. It could have been that there was an expired card associated with the app. I don't know how that works. I entered my current card but it does not seem to have been recognised
I do not know what to do at this point but it seems harsh. The 3 calls show that I was trying

Thank you all for your replies
FYI, I never received a PCN and 2 months have passed
Fortune has smiled on me
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Last evening I was driving in an area of SE London with which I am not familiar. I was travelling northbound on Rye Lane. I was heading to a nearby Morrisons
At the junction in the attached map, my Google Maps, I believe, told me to continue on Rye Ln, and I bore left
I did not see the signs that indicate that cars are not allowed. I believe that there was a bus that block the sign on the right, and the End of Route sign partially obscured the sign on the left. At any rate, with the poor twilight, I missed them. I found it odd that there was no traffic on Rye Ln. I carried on until Hanover Park where I did see signs, and turned right
I later drove by the initial intersection and noticed the signs. It seems that I should have borne right on Rye Ln (it goes both straight and, briefly,  right)  which then becomed Copeland Rd
I wasn’t trying to sneak down Rye Ln and, other than the Google Maps, I cannot explain how I made such an error. I appreciate that one cannot blame GPS systems for bad information
I await the PCN
I wonder if there is any benefit to contacting Southwark Council (I believe) and pre-emptively confessing my guilt and confusion?
I do not hold out much hope
Thank you

My alleged contravention was 29 April

At the top of the new order, The Lambeth (Moving Traffic Restrictions) Order 2024, it states:
Coming into force:- 27th April 2024

However, in the first point it states:
Citation and commencement
1. This Order may be cited as the Lambeth (Moving Traffic Restrictions) Order 2024 and shall come into force on 29th April 2024.

To my untrained eyes, the Order is very different to The Lambeth (Prescribed Routes) (No. 11) Traffic Order 2022, which it has, if I understand correctly, replaced

The original order cites Part IV of Schedule 9 to the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984(a); the recent TMO cites the Local Government Act 1972, or section 19 of the Local Government Act 2000

There is no mention of school streets nor of the type or requirements of signage, which is the point brought up on this forum by guest17

The only passage that refers to pedestrian zone is “pedestrian and cycle zone” has the same meaning as in the 2016 Regulations

It also states:
(1) during the hours of operation of that no vehicles prohibition.
(2) during the hours of operation of that play street no vehicles prohibition.

I do not know if any of the above is helpful. The signage argument offered by guest17, specifically mentioning that the restriction only applied during term times only seems well backed-up by the case involving Camden

I will await your replies. I have heard nothing from Lambeth in regards to my request for the Order. I appreciate that I now have access to it (them), but if  Lambeth just ignores the request, could that not disqualify the prosecution?

Thank you

I have just received the attached rejection of my representations
Lambeth has re-offered the discount for 14 days dated from 28/5
The letter mentions, in bold, that 'It is only enforced during the school term times' though they do not address the fact that this information does not appear on the applicable signs
The letter later claims that 'our signs are compliant and stipulate the restriction information'
I made a Request for Traffic Order 2022 under sections 6 and 124 of and Part IV of Schedule 9 to the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984. School Streets on 12/ and 24/5. I have not had a response

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Thank you

Thanks, Enceladus
That only leaves me 3-4 days, doubltfully enough time to get the Order back from Lambeth
I must be mistaken about the discount period starting on the date of service as opposed to date of issue
What is the argument for the representations?
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I have just received this PCN today. It is dated 29/4/24
As this is a Camera enforcement, it seems that I do not have the right to make an informal appeal
As the PCN has taken an inordinate amount of time to arrive, it does not give me much time to pay the discount rate or to make representations within 14 days
To wit, I thought that the 14-day grace period for paying the discount rate began when the PCN was served. This PCN states ‘If the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, …’
As for the circumstances, I am perplexed. I do not remember driving down this road nearly 2 weeks ago. These are school street restrictions. The school is on the left behind a fence next to a gap in parked cars
My child went to school there for many years though there were no restrictions in place at the time. It seems that I was in a habit of driving down Wolfington Rd after school without issue
As one can see, the entire area is clear, pupils and parents long gone home as the school day ends at 15.10h. The area is usually packed with kids and carers. Perhaps this lulled me into a sense of ‘all clear’. Had I seen children, it might have clicked my memory about the new road restrictions. Or, perhaps, I thought the restrictions ended at 15.30h. I can’t figure it out. Not remembering the moment or where I was going does not help
At any rate, I seem to have been complacent. I have a lifelong habit of driving down that road. I support the school streets idea and would not have intentionally disregarded the new signs
Nonetheless, I would rather not pay a penalty. Any suggestions on how or if to appeal this will be appreciated. I do not hold out much hope
Thank you for your time





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