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Quote from: b789 on 29 Sep, 2024 12:17Does the lease allow for this to be introduced?I've looked over it as much as possible, all the areas regarding parking etc and all they mention are that we're allocated the use of three spaces for our personal vehicles in "X" area marked on a map. Unfortunately there's plenty of legalese weasel words around it "from time to time, at the discretion of the landlord" etcs.No mention of permits / ANPR or any restriction of access that I can see. I have it in writing (but not in the lease) from the LL that in addition to the three allocated spaces, we can also park elsewhere on site but on a first come, first served basis. There is another car park that is informally "customer parking" but seeing as none of the premises have ended up being used for retail (as was the original aim) this area is always empty.No limit to the number of vehicles on site whether in parking spaces or inside the unit is mentioned.

Quote from: sparxy on 29 Sep, 2024 02:06Just a scenario after reading all these posts. If they are definitely ANPR, so monitoring a boundary, say you drove a vehicle onto the site, and in through your loading bay door (so on your premises) and parked it there overnight. Would it get a ticket?If so, that's incredible.Yes, exactly that - they're expecting me to give 48hrs notice (working days only) to be able to access my own building with a vehicle, but as soon as I enter the site, the 2 hour countdown starts.On the same business centre is a motorcycle repair / storage company.They've told him the same thing - "Give us 2 working days notice of the reg number of any vehicles that will be entering the business park"99% of the units on the site are industrial warehouses with roller shutter doors. There's no correlation between a vehicle entering the site and it actually taking up a parking space. It's staggering that the landlords haven't even considered that ANPR is completely unsuitable before steamrolling ahead with it, and it's so frustrating that they are hell bent on implementing this on a site where there isn't an actual problem with non-tenants causing parking problems.

Another update:Landlord has taken a more reasonable stance with the whitelist. I've provided ~20 vehicles to go on the list, which the landlord is OK with.When I asked what the process would be of ad-hoc access to our premises with any other vehicle (sometimes we have customers vehicles, sometimes a friend might want to park their car in our unit etc) they said I'd have to give them 2 business days notice."What if I can't give you two working days notice to get into my own premises?" "Oooh, err I'll have to ask Bank Park about that one".I'm not reassured that they have done any amount of research here. I get the feeling it won't be long til I end up with a PCN for parking inside my own warehouse.

Sorry, should have been a bit clearer.I was pointing out to the landlord that the camera operators return on investment would be very poor if they operated purely in good faith as they claim to: ~£200 a week for a few months of the year won't even cover the cost once the admin and upkeep of the systems are factored in

Brief update:After some to-and-fro I've got the landlord to understand that having three reg numbers on the whitelist isn't in any way reasonable. They've offered "around 12".I agreed that this was better, but the fact remains that not being able drive in and out of our building without being on this whitelist affects our quiet enjoyment of the premises. I also pressed a couple of points with them that will hopefully make them think again:1: ANPR being 97% accurate according to sources online. Of a conservative ~150 cars accessing the place every day, that's 4-5 tickets issued incorrectly every day, vs a very generous estimate of 3 or 4 cars that park in our car park and leave site every week - and this is during peak summer months / school holidays only. Absolutely nobody parks here in the week, or in winter.2: I've attempted to highlight the point that the return on investment for this ~£10k? worth of cameras would be pretty poor if they only sent out PCNs to people who are actually parking incorrectly, and that there will be 5 times more people who end up with a PCN in error, than who actually warrant one.I even tried to meet them halfway by suggesting looking at one of the companies that will supply signage and let you do your own monitoring and just send them a whatsapp picture of any incorrectly parked vehicle (I forget the name of them, but that's how it's worked at another premises we rented, and it worked fairly well)No reply yet. The optimist in me hopes they've taken on board my points (particularly affecting our quiet enjoyment of the site, which several other tenants have raised) and are finally doing some research, but they're equally likely to have decided to just ignore me.

Thanks for some good replies! I'm digging the lease out, but from memory it describes our entitlement to park three personal vehicles in an area marked out on the map. The area marked out describes the entire 100m rear car park behind our building. There's another similar sized car park in front of the building, an various stuff elsewhere. Knowing that 3 vehicles would be "tight", In queries to this before taking on the lease, the landlord stated in writing that we can also park additional vehicles elsewhere on site but as a first come first served basis, and that the three spaces behind the building are the only ones we're entitled to.That bit wasn't in the lease, though, unfortunately. I have finally got a response from the landlord, as have other tenants. It very much appears that Bank Park are pulling the strings here as the LL is "asking the questions" to Bank Park about it all.I've formally raised my objections and concerns, and asked why there was no consultation whatsoever on something that so dramatically changes the way the business park operates - Yesterdays email is the first anyone had heard of it!Good call on the legal advice - We're a member of the FSB so I've got a free consultation call with them scheduled for first thing in the morning. I'll keep you updated.Thankfully no cameras have been installed on site yet, but they are giving 27th September as a deadline. Presumably to sneak in before October 1st to get round the new legislation?

Good afternoon!I have a business in industrial premises on a semi-rural business park. The lease includes three parking spaces. No spaces are actually marked on the ground or numbered, but we park directly outside our loading bay door. If anyone else parked there, we wouldn't be able to get in and out of the building.The landlord has got a bit of a bee in his bonnet about the general public parking on site and walking in to town. This does happen, but it is far from a problem and parking is generally not an issue.Yesterday we received an email stating that ANPR cameras will be fitted (managed by "Bank Park") and that businesses are allowed 1 reg number on the whitelist per allocated space.However this is absolutely unworkable, I've been offered three "whitelisted reg numbers", but I have five staff, some part time - We never use more than three spaces anyway. Between us there are a possibility of 15+ vehicles that could be used to commute to work. I have several company vehicles stored inside the premises that would be caught on ANPR when entering and leaving the site.I was first informed about these plans yesterday, via an official email from the landlord. I immediately raised the issue (as did several other tenants) - Nobody got a reply acknowledging anything. This morning they appear to have doubled down, and have sent out three "whitelist" forms.Where do we stand on this? these rules will seriously affect our normal use of the premises - We can't even get our company vehicles in and out of the building without being stung.