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Well done. I hope you sent the appeal verbatim as advised.

I did, must of spooked them...:)

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Update - I received this email from G24 following my appeal

RE: Contractual Parking Charge Notice xxxxxxxxxxxx

Regarding the above Contractual Parking Charge Notice, we would like to confirm that this has been waived.

No further action is required by you.

Appeals Team
G24 Ltd


Thankyou so much for everyone's help on this forum. I was expecting a longer fight but will take it.
Thanks again

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Ok, sending appeal. Will keep you updated. Thankyou so much

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Many thanks so much. The driver has not received the new notice yet even though they have said they will be sending one. The appeal will submitted as per wording provided, should I wait for the new notice or just send anyway?

I will expect a rejection of the appeal.

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No photos come up when entering required details on appeals portal. Goes straight to web form to submit appeal.

Only other option on the website I can see is:

dataprotection@g24.co.uk

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 Ok, thanks.

There is no portal, only the appeals online form which they told me to use on the phone....(I won't phone them again)
There is a physical address to submit a subject access request

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You are right jr member, it was supposed to say No evidence, amended now.

I have phoned them up, they are re-issuing the Parking Charge Notice to the driver which hasn't been done yet. I can submit a request through to the appeals website asking for all photo evidence so I guess that the sensible thing to do and see what evidence they have.

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These are simple to defend as long as no one makes any procedural errors. You have stated above that the Keeper wrote to PPC and "threw the driver under the bus" by naming them. You then go on to suggest sending another appeal trying to rely on PoFA and declining to identify the driver, even though you know that the driver has already been identified.  ::)

So, trying to make sense of the situation... Did the Keeper transfer the liability from them to the driver correctly as stated in the Notice to Keeper (NtK)? Did they provide a name and valid address for service AND pass the NtK to the driver? What EXACTLY was done on 3rd September?

Once the Keeper notifies the PPC of the driver's identity and provides a valid and serviceable address for the driver and has passed the NtK to the driver, PoFA 9(2)(e)(ii) outlines that the PPC cannot hold the Keeper liable for the charge. At this point, liability is effectively transferred to the driver.

Under PoFA, the PPC is not explicitly required to issue a new notice directly to the driver. Instead, the PPC should pursue the identified driver directly for the parking charge. The driver, having been notified by the Keeper or the operator, can then appeal the PCN in their own right, as the liability has been transferred.

However, in practice, many operators will issue a new notice to the identified driver, but they are not strictly required to under PoFA. The driver should still respond and manage the PCN as though they have received formal notification.

If the PPC fails to take appropriate action against the driver and continues to pursue the Keeper despite notification, the Keeper may have grounds to challenge the PPC for not following PoFA correctly.

So, on to the allegation itself. What evidence have they provided to back up their allegation? Please show us an image of the NtK that was received, suitably redacted of personal info but leave all dates and times showing. Also, have you checked on the PPCs appeals website for any other evidential photos they may have? Do you have any photos of the signage at the location so we can see the exact wording that supposedly makes up the contract?

It is highly unlikely this would ever get to court, if it were to progress that far as these "left site" cases are commonly known as "toothbrush" cases because the poor legal reps that have tried to prosecute the claim in court on behalf of the claimant have been severely reprimanded by judges in the past for wasting court time with allegations that cannot be proven and should they try and do the same again, they should bring a toothbrush as they are likely to be incarcerated for their time wasting.

So, until we know all dates and the precise allegation made in the NtK, which PPC and whether an IPC or a BPA member, it is difficult to provide any more advice.

Thanks for the reply and encouraged they are easy to defend. The registered keeper has named the driver on the 3rd September.

The notice and sign on site have been uploaded here:

https://bigdavey.imgbb.com/

As you can see from the NTK they have taken a picture of the car front and back, there is no evidence of the driver or anyone in the car leaving site.

There has been subsequent notice received since the driver was named on the 3rd September. I'm assuming best to go back stating along the lines of no evidence of driver or driver leaving site or where the site even is

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Hi, I have received a Parking Charge Notice for Leaving site at Central Six - Coventry. The picture on the notice shows the picture on my car front and back. There is nothing on the notice evidencing I have left site. You are allowed to park for up to 3 hours, the car was removed in that time. I have read the sign, there is nothing that says you can't leave site, it just says customers only so I would of thought you have 3 hours to buy something. I would of thought it unlikely they can prove I left site, I didn't have passengers that stayed on site and that I didn't buy anything in the 3 hour period. Advice much appreciated on the next steps please. I have no evidence to say I did buy anything. It is addressed to the registered keeper. THey were not the driver but have told them on the 3rd September who the driver was. THe wording on the notice says 'If you were not the registered driver of the vehicle, to notify us of the name of the driver and a curretn address for the service for the driver AND pass this notice on to the driver.

Does this mean they write to the driver or is it assumed the notice is passed on?
Not sure what to do as 28 days after 21st August is tomorrow.
I am tempted to write something like.

Dear Sirs,
I have received your Notice to Keeper xxxxx for vehicle VRM xxxx

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to specify the period of parking to which this notice applies as prescribed by section 9 (2) (e) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my personal details have been removed from your records.
Yours etc

Any help much appreciated. It is not allowing me to upload the PCN or the pics of the sign

Documents can be viewed here:
https://legalbeagles.info/forums/forum/legal-forums/motoring-parking/ppc-s-parking-charge-notices/1688026-parking-charge-notice-for-leaving-site-at-central-six-coventry




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