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I just checked the payment page again - the text in the box at the bottom of the page has now changed to:

"The amount outstanding on the PCN is £80.00, and will increase to £160.00 on Tue, 10 Feb 2026. Please pay £80.00 now."

Date of notice on the PCN is 20 Jan, so the 10 Feb date for the discount seems off (although longer than the 14 days described on the PCN itself). Odd!


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Just bumping this again as I'm not sure what appraoch to take - grateful for any guidance on whether I should appeal given the screenshot of Hackney's payment page.

I still have a few days before the discount runs out so hoping to be able to make a decision on whether to appeal or not this weekend.

Thanks!
S

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Seems odd (and incorrect?) that 'the amount outstanding is £80 now and will rise to £80 very soon.

What course of action would you recommend? Should I submit an appeal on the basis that the PCN does not show me passing signs facing in my direction, as Incandescent suggests?

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Thanks all.

Hippocrates - here's a screenshot of Hackney's payment/challenge PCN page: https://ibb.co/BHVkXdfN


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Thanks for your reply Incandescent - I'll wait to see if anyone else has any comments before deciding whether or not to appeal.

You're right that the PCN doesn't show a sign in the direction I'm driving, but I can confirm that the signs are the same on the other side.

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Hello all

I received a PCN today from LB Hackney for accidentally driving through a bus gate. Scan is available to view here:

https://maipdf.com/file/d697246cbb7c1c@pdf

I was using the car to take our Christmas tree for recycling as Hackney no longer collect routinely from individual households - the drop-off point was in the park immediately adjacent to the bus gate. I hadn't driven this route before and spotted a helpful parking place just past the gate which probably distracted me from the signage.

Streetview link here - https://maps.app.goo.gl/k41skR5wbVKNfbcu7 - although not the road design has changed a bit since this was captured. Black planters have gone and the pavement has been extended to cover the white line hatching on LHS.

Not clear that I have any grounds for appealing the charge but would welcome any thoughts!

Cheers

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Thanks Stamfordman, yep I thought the same to be honest but thought it was worth asking here anyway.

Can't say I'm very optimistic about Hackney cancelling the PCN at their discretion to be honest! But might ask the question anyway, assuming that doesn't mean I'd lose the discount? Can anyone confirm wheththat's the case?

Thanks

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Hello all,

Received the below pcn the weekend before last. I was taking kids to their weekend football and parked the car on the edge of the Hackney Marshes carpark - not in a bay, so suspect I'm bang to rights on this one but thought I would seek opinions here before paying at the discounted rate.

Also below is a pic of one of the signs in the carpark. I checked and there is a line in there about parking within a bay (might be too small to read on the pic).

And finally, there should be a pic of the car which I took at the time.

I did pay for 2 hours of parking. Reason I parked it where I did was we were running late and the car park was quite full, didn't think it would be a problem leaving the car where I did as there was plenty of space for everyone to get past. But lesson learned!

If anyone has any thoughts on a possible appeal I'd be glad to hear them, otherwise will pay at the discount in the next couple of days.

Thanks all






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Thanks both - the rear passenger wheel is just about on the edge of the box and the other wheel is obscured. If I'd taken the corner slightly more sharply I think that wheel would have missed the box. So I agree it's petty, but is that an argument that tends to hold any weight with TFL..?

MrChips, can't recall how much space there was in front of me. I suspect I was aware of the yellow box so probably tried to go fairly close behind the white van. There seems to be quote a lot of space in front of the van though, not sure why they stopped where they did (although admit is a bit difficult to tell)

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Hello again,

Finally found someone with a DVD player  ::)  - amazed that TFL insist on using this tech, couldn't even access the file at any of the libraries in Hackney as none of them use DVDs any more.

Anyway - link to the vid is here - https://streamable.com/6pkqlr. It expires in two days but I can upload again if needed. Case is still on hold according to the TFL website.

The car (HK18 VVP) enters the junction at around 2mins 40secs.

Thanks all

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Hello all

Please see this link to a pdf related to the above PCN:

https://jumpshare.com/v/CGjz4ZTASKwufGNuc0J6

Short bit of background - this was a postal PCN which I never received. It was sent while we were in the process of moving and rennovating, and for whatever reason never actually made it into my hands. I received the Order for Recovery and subsequently filed a statutory declaration stating that I had not received the PCN. The charge was subsequently reduced to the orignal £80.

I am now expecting a copy of the original PCN to turn up in the post and will upload here when I receive it, however I thought worth posting the PCN details now anyway as members will be able to review the evidence on the TFL website.

I believe there are some procedural issues with TFL PCNs at the moment so would welcome any advice on possible options for challenge.

Many thanks!

Sam




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Thanks all for the helpful advice.

I am planning to submit an appeal to Hackney as follows -

Grounds:
There has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the enforcement authority

Explanation:
"This PCN was received in the post as the vehicle was moved out of the suspended bays before the CEO had time to issue a ticket.

The PCN states that 'The full amount of the penalty charge is £80.00'. It goes on to state that 'the Penalty Charge is reduced by 50% to £40 if paid no later than the last day of the period of 14 days beginning with the date on which this Penalty Charge Notice was served'. However, the LB Hackney PCN website states that the full charge is £160 (NOT £80) and is currently offering the opportunity to pay the charge at a reduced rate of £80. I have therefore been denied the opportunity to pay the reduced charge of £40 as stated on the PCN. This is a procedural impropriety on behalf of the issuer.

I look forward to receiving confirmation that this penalty charge has been withdrawn."

Does this adequately cover things? Would it be worthwhile to include screenshots/scans of the PCN and payment page? Grateful for any suggestions.

Thanks all

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Thanks all, I will wait for others to comment.

In answer to previous questions - yes Stamfordman, I parked directly opposite and the CEO was still there. He didn't say anything but moved on to another car parked in the suspended section, presumably to issue a ticket.

And re how long the car had been parked - it was definitely used the previous day at some point (the Sunday). I guess we just didn't notice the suspended bay sign.

Thanks all

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Hi Stamfordman - this is happy news!  :)

Could you advise what the best way to appeal is? Looking through the list of "statutory grounds for making representations" on the back of the form, would the best option be to go with "Any other compelling reason", explain that the Hackney payment webiste is asking for more than the amount specified on the PCN, and provide the screenshots you've helpfully pasted below?


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