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Private parking tickets / Re: Parking Charge Notice Received.
« on: April 21, 2024, 02:56:37 am »
Thank you.
I've updated based on the helpful points you raised.
I've updated based on the helpful points you raised.
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I wouldn't bother, IMO you're clutching at [pointless] straws which is a distraction.
Using the post code in GSV delineates an area immediately next to the Nat West. You won't win at IAS on such fine margins.
@b789, where does this appear in Schedule 4 either verbatim or its meaning?
the wording in the warning to the keeper does not strictly comply with PoFA, which it must do.
PoFA states:
9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
.....
)warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given—
(i)the amount of the unpaid parking charges specified under paragraph (d) has not been paid in full, and
(ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver,
the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid;
'Warn', which can take on various forms. It does not have to state the words 'you are warned that....'.
The PCN says:
'You are advised that if ABC and DEF ..we will have the right to recover the unpaid charge from the keeper..'
This is a clear warning in anyone's language IMO.
Don't risk the discount on this point IMO.
A couple of points after reviewing this thread… OP, you stated early on the following:The driver and passenger went to pick up an order at the restaurant beside the Natwest bank.
From the cctv the wait was at least 15mins.
You then go on to state in your appeal:The driver did not leave the car at any time nor turn off the engine of the car. The car was not parked and there was no intention to park at any time.
What exactly occurred? Did the driver park the car, switch off the engine and leave the car unattended for 15 minutes or was the car just stopped for a short duration in order to load or unload?Would someone explain why the NTK is not compliant e.g. it was given in time, it contains the mandatory warning etc?
If it's compliant, then why is the OP claiming - without staring why - it is not?
I wrote early 9n in this thread that there could be a technical flaw with the NtK due to some wording without going into detail at this stage as it will not be for the PPC to determine. As far as I was concerned, there is only a requirement to raise the matter of the flawed NtK in order that it can be dealt with later by a legally trained mind, either at POPLA (questionable) or by a judge.
The technical point is that the wording in the warning to the keeper does not strictly comply with PoFA, which it must do.
PoFA paragraph 9(2) states that a NtK must-
9(2)(f) warn the keeper that if, after the period of 28 days…
The NtK does not warn the keeper. It advises the keeper.
Can you please fill in some detail as to why the car was at that location? You say that the driver never left the car. However, that is irrelevant. How long was the car stopped, if at all, at that location?....
Was the driver picking up or dropping off a passenger?