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Dear Redbridge

Ref:  PCN    VRM   

I make this formal representation:

The contravention did not occur as the sign referring to term time is proscribed. As per school parking restrictions, how is a driver expected to know the times of any term time in advance?

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours

Reg. keeper

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23rd September is the deadline so please please do not send it now!


They have responded and rejected the appeal.

https://imgur.com/a/GQbklpT

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The traffic order is The Redbridge (Prescribed Routes) (School Streets) (No.1) (Amendment No. 3) Order 2023, I can't see any issues with it.

What's the length of the lease? Is it a personal lease or is it through an employer?


36 months. Through employer. Any further suggestions please?

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@Sizzle89 please post the new PCN issued to you, and please don't redact the VRM or PCN number.

Also please confirm the name of the hire company.

Replied via pm mate

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The term time plate is an issue.

Please: go to make a representation and enter your details after clicking on all the tedious grounds which do not apply. Then screenshot what it says about the grounds. If it says choose one ground, that is another issue. Please post it up here.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088



Thanks for your help on this. I have followed the steps you have told me to and my screenshot is the same as yours: https://imgur.com/quyu3G7

What should i do? I have a day left until the 14 days on my new pcn is reached.

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Your 28 days have elapsed by three days. I would check the status - I cannot because you have chosen to redact the details. You could try and make out of time representations but I expect you may well be at the Charge Certificate stage.

Only you can check. If it still says £130 try and make representations and ask them to exercise their discretion.

Thanks for the response. Originally i uploaded the first letter which was sent to the lease company from the council. I have now received the letter addressed to me dated 23/8. So i am still eligible to pay the £65. Is there anything i can do to appeal this with the info i have provided on this thread? What do you mean by 'out of time representations'?

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Thanks. This has all been updated. Any help on this case would be much appreciated. Thanks

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Council - London Borough of Redbridge
Road - Sunnymede Drive, Gants Hill

There is a restriction on vehicles entering this road during school hours due to a school nearby.

Looking at the pictures i have attached: https://imgur.com/a/YwphPcZ, the times you cannot use these roads are 8am-915am, 230pm-4pm Monday-Friday term time only. On the 12th July i entered this road at 2:40pm, the roads were completely empty with no school rush on surrounding roads.

The PCN was dated 26th July. Is there any advice or anything i could do to get out of this if possible please? Also, just to be clear, term time is not clearly stated.

Note: I have removed my PCN and Reg plate number for personal preferences, despite the guide saying to keep them in. If anyone does require this info. Please do let me know. Thanks.

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Even just yesterday i saw someone get flashed, they must have been doing 24 on that road based on my speed. It's right by tower hill station i think it makes them a lot of money.
24 is the guideline speed for the start of enforcement. The cameras don't make money people speed does.

People’s speed does? Of course speeding is an offence and dangerous driving should not be tolerated. You see so much of it nowadays.

But your comment implies that authorities are justified to give out speeding tickets such as 25mph on a 20. This is certainly not dangerous driving in many people’s eyes. This is exploiting the public!

Based on your comment, if the authorities were to set the speed limit of a road to 15mph where it’s actually safe to do 30, then technically yes they are speeding, but is it actually dangerous driving and should they really be fined for it? Of course not.

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Is there a time limit for when the authorities have to give you the speeding ticket by? The date of the offence was 21/5 but the later is dated 18/6.

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It was heavy rain that day, and i didnt notice the speed markers or even the sign.
Simply put, no.  It also fails the 'common sense test' as it's a bit 'silly' to suggest that if it's raining that heavily its OK to exceed the speed limit compared to when its dry with shorter stopping distances etc!

Well no, the point being the signs or markings there were not clear due to the heavy rain.

I now look out for that camera as i'm aware of it since the ticket. Even just yesterday i saw someone get flashed, they must have been doing 24 on that road based on my speed. It's right by tower hill station i think it makes them a lot of money.

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So looking at the supporting evidence they've provided for the 25mph on the 20. It was heavy rain that day, and i didnt notice the speed markers or even the sign. To be honest the camera barely picks up the reg and markings too. Do i have any grounds, are there any steps i can take to appeal?

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So do you suggest i just take both on the chin and say i was the driver, with nothing to appeal?
You have to say you were the driver regardless, only the driver can defend the allegation made, so you would need to be identified as that entity even if you decided to defend it.

Nothing you have said indicates a viable defence and it is generally considered foolhardy to allow the matter to go to court (by not taking up an out of court settlement) - unless you are so rich money doesn't matter - without a viable defence.  There may be defences relating to the traffic order (that creates the limit) or signage (that notifies the driver of the limit set by that order) but you haven't mentioned that.

Thanks Rookie, so i will go ahead and respond saying i was the driver for both. With regards to the 88 on the 70 on M6, i dont really have a defence for that if im honest.

But i feel the 25 on the 20mph is really harsh. That road is usually standstill traffic near Tower of London especially at the time of the incident 17:30. But that day it must have been clearer which allowed me to do 25 not noticing the speed camera. Keep in mind the road is big and not a small narrow one so this can naturally be done. Anything to look into that might allow me to have a defence for this one?

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My question is, would it be worth me doing the course for the 88 on a 70 if im eligible for it. And get the points for the 25 on a 20 instead?

You won't be offered a course for 88 in a 70 (up to 10% +9mph over the limit).
A fixed penalty is a fixed penalty, regardless of the limit. Only difference is the DVLA endorsement code (SP30 for ordinary roads, SP50 for motorways, assuming it was a car).
N.B. When you receive the offers of course and fixed penalty, read them carefully.

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This is as a last resort ofcourse or do i have anything i can appeal against for any of these tickets?

Ignoring the resident pedants' cries of "there is nothing to appeal as you have not been convicted yet", nothing that you have told us so far suggests a viable defence.

So do you suggest i just take both on the chin and say i was the driver, with nothing to appeal?

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Have you done a course within the last 3 years, if not you should be offered one?

Hey, thanks for your response. The last time i did a course was in March 2021. So that means i should get another course then as its been over 3 years?

Also, there has been an update since i posted the original message. Yesterday i got another speeding ticket through the post - this was one i was expecting but hoping i didnt receive. I did 88mph on a 70 at the M6 j3-j2 southbound - Warwickshire Police. It was 11pm and i was talking to my cousin and didnt realise the speed as the motorway was extremely quiet at this point. Just to be clear, i'm not a regular speeder, i have just found myself in an unlucky situation receiving two tickets in the space of two weeks - when it rains...it pours!

My question is, would it be worth me doing the course for the 88 on a 70 if im eligible for it. And get the points for the 25 on a 20 instead? This is as a last resort ofcourse or do i have anything i can appeal against for any of these tickets?

I'm very grateful for the help and advice by the way!

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Do you still have the NIP for the 55 in a 50? It’s below the enforcement threshold of 57. Were you not offered a course for it?

I'm not sure if i have the NIP but i dug through my photos and i have a picture of it. Looking at the picture it was actually a 57 on a 50, not 55. So that's what got me the 3 points and the fine. I had done a course in March 2021, so when i got this ticket (Jan 2023) offence - from Nov 22, it was straight points.

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