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Ah ok. Thanks for letting me know. I'll wait for something in the post and reply here once received... If I ever do.

Thanks.

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The car park is owned / provided by Kent County Council and this is why the ECP NtK is not PoFA compliant - they don't even mention PoFA.

You have missed the appeal deadline so you now have to play the long game.

Never reveal the driver.

There is no way to keeper liability in this matter so rest easy.

Thank you. Sorry only just seen this. I'll get photos posted tomorrow and will wait to hear any more. Thanks.

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I'll get photos tomorrow and post up.

On a side note, I just received a private message linking me to a website www.ninjapcn.co.uk where you type in the postcode of the car park of the PCN, this one is CT21 4HL, and it tells you automatically if the PCN is valid and or appealable.

I did this and it came back with:

"🛑 Deadline Alert: You are more than 28 days past the issue date of your PCN. A formal POPLA/IAS appeal is legally timed out.

How is this even fair if the PCN was issued 11th April and I only received the final notification 2 days ago!?!? That's crazy. There must be a formal appeals process. Please help!
As I said before I'll post pictures when I get a chance tomorrow.

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I've had a reply from Euro Car Parks see the attached.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/BZ6thfb

I haven't received the first and original PCN so I feel it's unfair I haven't been given a chance to pay at the discounted rate. As I've said before a kind lady gave us her physical ticket which we displayed on the dash and still had a few hours on it. So technically we did have a ticket.
There are no big noticeboards where the ANPR is and the signs inside the car park are just as bad.

Quite simply, on what grounds do I have grounds to appeal this?

Thanks again for your support and assistance.

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I have sent the following email:

Dear Data Protection Officer,

I am writing to exercise my right of access under Article 15 of the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR) and Section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018.

My details are as follows:

Full Name:
Address
Parking Charge Notice Number: 88811626553
Vehicle Registration Number: GF75TYA

I request copies of all personal data you hold on me, including but not limited to:

- All personal data obtained from the DVLA or any other third party in connection with the above vehicle registration;
- All images, photographs or ANPR data captured of the vehicle;
- All records relating to the Parking Charge Notice issued at Brockhill Country Park, Hythe on 11/04/2026;
- All correspondence sent or received in connection with me or the above PCN;
- Details of all third parties with whom my personal data has been shared;
- Your legal basis for processing my personal data;
- The retention period applied to my personal data.

Please provide the information in a commonly used electronic format. Under UK GDPR you are required to respond without undue delay and within one calendar month of receipt of this request.

Proof of identity to process this request is attached, please let me know you require addition or different  proof of identity and I will provide it promptly.

Yours faithfully.


I'll endeavour to update you with their reply.
Thanks,

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Just wondering, to obtain and SAR which option is most suited? I was thinking "General Enquiry"? Or "Appeal"? I don't want them to take forever to get back to me because this will just go further and further and I want to appeal it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.

https://postimg.cc/cr8hcSKR

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I am not sure if the land is covered by byelaws or not. How would one find this out?
That’s called an exercise for the reader. I will post something so you could follow up the leads in this.
Google took 20 seconds to find https://www.kent.gov.uk/leisure-and-community/kent-country-parks/find-a-kent-country-park/brockhill-country-park/about-brockhill-country-park and https://www.kent.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/204984/Kent-Country-Parks-Strategy-2023-28.pdf

I've had a look on that link and there is absolutely nothing there about any byelaws.
I've also extended my research extensively and KCC doesn't appear to have any byelaws in place for Brockhill Park. There are byelaws for a couple of places in the next town over, but nothing for Brockhill Park.
I challenge you, nay, encourage you, to prove me wrong.

I'll get to sending a SAR to Euro Car Parks and will update this thread when I have a reply.

Additionally, I have a redacted version of the notification letter but I cannot edit my original post with the URL so I will pointless link it here:

https://postimg.cc/PP5mJkHB

Thank you.

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Accidently replied with a .

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I understand about requesting an SAR now:
Sending a Subject Access Request to Euro Car Parks to obtain everything they have, including the original PCN.

Once I've had a reply I'll come back here and post the original PCN.

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Thank you for your reply.

I am not sure if the land is covered by byelaws or not. How would one find this out?

I will request an SAR to Euro Car Parks but what would one do with this information?

Many thanks in advance.

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That's the thing,I haven't received one. This is the only notice I have!! There is no physical notice plonked on my car. There is no photo of my car. There is no other letter or notification! This is the only thing I've got and it arrived yesterday.

Do I request a copy of the original?

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Driver parked up at Brockhill County Park in Hythe. Some kind lady gave her paid parking sticker to the driver as it still had a couple of hours left on it, although the ticket did have the lady's reg plate on it. The driver then left the park.

This notice is the first and only notice we've recieved about this matter and it was delivered today!? It also mentions a discounted rate but doesnt mention what that rate is or was.

I feel this is highly unfair and also quite disproportionately aggressive to the situation.

Please may i ask what the best course of action is, and if any details require redacting? Or if you need any further information.

Many thanks.

https://postimg.cc/BXtHD7C3

https://postimg.cc/ZBVvv6BB




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Hi Team,
Bit of a weird one!
Got my appeal back from POPLA which it was successful. However, upon reading it I think they've got the appeal??? This is what the comments are:

[START]

POPLA assessment and decision

09/07/2025
Verification Code

2921135509
Decision
Successful
Assessor Name
Amy Smith
Assessor summary of operator case

The operator issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for parking without a valid pay and display ticket.
Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: • They tried to pay using the ticket machines, but both were out of order. They say they tried the QR code system, however this also malfunctioned as it would only accept the letter 'Y'. They say after multiple failed attempts, they paid by phone, which worked but charged more than usual which was £5 instead of £3.80. • The appeal was rejected solely on the grounds that the correct vehicle registration was not and they say this was false. They say the invoice and screenshots show they entered the correct registration number within the required timeframe. • They say that the phone payment method charged a higher rate than advertised on signage. This raises questions about the legality and fairness of the contract, especially since other payment methods were unavailable. They argue this could constitute a frustration of contract. • They tried to explain the situation to the parking attendant at the time, but they were not concerned and refused to talk to the appellant. • They question whether operator is properly authorised by the landowner to issue tickets. After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal. The appellant states: The appellant has provided a copy of the text confirmation as evidence to support their appeal. This evidence will be considered in making our determination.
Assessor supporting rational for decision

I am allowing this appeal, with my reasoning outlined below: The burden of proof lies with the operator to prove the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the PCN was issued as the vehicle exceeded the maximum stay. The appellant questions whether operator is properly authorised by the landowner to enforce parking. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 14.1 of the Code states that where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner, written confirmation must be obtained before a parking charge can be issued. In this case the operator has not provided POPLA with any evidence that it has a valid contract with the landowner to enforce parking on this land on the date in question. They say the operator is put to strict proof that it holds a valid contract with the landowner in accordance with Section 14 of the code. This contract must not redact any critical parts of the contract and if heavily redacted will fail to meet the standards of section 14 of the code. The operator states the following within in its evidence pack: “We can confirm that we have the authority to act on behalf of the landowner. The onus is on the appellant to provide evidence to support their claim that we do not - if the appellant genuinely believes that we do not have such authority, they are to go to the BPA to obtain this information. The photographs included in Section F show that signage and equipment is in place at the site to manage the function of enforcement and this cannot happen without the landowner’s authority.” I must advise that it is within the operator’s gift to rebut the appellant’s claims with proof that a valid contract was in place in order for POPLA to determine it was granted the authority to enforce parking on the land on the date in question. In the absence of any proof it had authority to enforce, I cannot conclude that the operator had a valid contract based on testimony alone. POPLA’s role is to assess if the operator has issued the PCN in accordance with the conditions of the contract. As the operator failed to provide a copy of a landowner agreement, I am not satisfied that the operator has issued this PCN correctly, and accordingly the appeal is allowed. The appellant has raised other grounds in their appeal, but as I am allowing the appeal, it is not necessary for me to address these.

[END]

With my situation i did none of the above. Do I just keep quiet and take it as the win?

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May I ask what this means in terms of fighting this PCN?

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Any advice on what to send in my unofficial appeal at this stage?

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