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Hi Team,
Bit of a weird one!
Got my appeal back from POPLA which it was successful. However, upon reading it I think they've got the appeal??? This is what the comments are:

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POPLA assessment and decision

09/07/2025
Verification Code

2921135509
Decision
Successful
Assessor Name
Amy Smith
Assessor summary of operator case

The operator issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for parking without a valid pay and display ticket.
Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal: • They tried to pay using the ticket machines, but both were out of order. They say they tried the QR code system, however this also malfunctioned as it would only accept the letter 'Y'. They say after multiple failed attempts, they paid by phone, which worked but charged more than usual which was £5 instead of £3.80. • The appeal was rejected solely on the grounds that the correct vehicle registration was not and they say this was false. They say the invoice and screenshots show they entered the correct registration number within the required timeframe. • They say that the phone payment method charged a higher rate than advertised on signage. This raises questions about the legality and fairness of the contract, especially since other payment methods were unavailable. They argue this could constitute a frustration of contract. • They tried to explain the situation to the parking attendant at the time, but they were not concerned and refused to talk to the appellant. • They question whether operator is properly authorised by the landowner to issue tickets. After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal. The appellant states: The appellant has provided a copy of the text confirmation as evidence to support their appeal. This evidence will be considered in making our determination.
Assessor supporting rational for decision

I am allowing this appeal, with my reasoning outlined below: The burden of proof lies with the operator to prove the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the PCN was issued as the vehicle exceeded the maximum stay. The appellant questions whether operator is properly authorised by the landowner to enforce parking. The Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice (The Code) sets the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 14.1 of the Code states that where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner, written confirmation must be obtained before a parking charge can be issued. In this case the operator has not provided POPLA with any evidence that it has a valid contract with the landowner to enforce parking on this land on the date in question. They say the operator is put to strict proof that it holds a valid contract with the landowner in accordance with Section 14 of the code. This contract must not redact any critical parts of the contract and if heavily redacted will fail to meet the standards of section 14 of the code. The operator states the following within in its evidence pack: “We can confirm that we have the authority to act on behalf of the landowner. The onus is on the appellant to provide evidence to support their claim that we do not - if the appellant genuinely believes that we do not have such authority, they are to go to the BPA to obtain this information. The photographs included in Section F show that signage and equipment is in place at the site to manage the function of enforcement and this cannot happen without the landowner’s authority.” I must advise that it is within the operator’s gift to rebut the appellant’s claims with proof that a valid contract was in place in order for POPLA to determine it was granted the authority to enforce parking on the land on the date in question. In the absence of any proof it had authority to enforce, I cannot conclude that the operator had a valid contract based on testimony alone. POPLA’s role is to assess if the operator has issued the PCN in accordance with the conditions of the contract. As the operator failed to provide a copy of a landowner agreement, I am not satisfied that the operator has issued this PCN correctly, and accordingly the appeal is allowed. The appellant has raised other grounds in their appeal, but as I am allowing the appeal, it is not necessary for me to address these.

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With my situation i did none of the above. Do I just keep quiet and take it as the win?

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May I ask what this means in terms of fighting this PCN?

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Any advice on what to send in my unofficial appeal at this stage?

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On the ticket machine there is a big Ringo notice/sticker on the side with the Car Park ID for this particular car park and it's number to select when using the App. All Ashford Borough Car Parks use Ringo to pay for parking.

Does this mean anyone who legitimately uses the Ringo to use any of the Ashford Borough Council car parks and pays any monies can also get a PCN? Doesn't make sense.

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That, you are correct. I left my car, opened the app and spent 10 minutes walking to the station whilst waiting for the Ringo App to load. Which it didn't. Throughout the morning also. Until it managed to work at 9.38. It's humanly impossible to be on a train and also pay for a physical ticket. 

 If I was outright avoiding having to pay to use the car park I would have understood and accept I am in the wrong for taking the risk. But I did pay. For the whole day. And also I'm getting charged... for not paying. Anything over 4 hours stay is a maximum amount of £6.20. which I paid.

I'm just wondering if there is any recourse for appeal under these circumstances, or if I should just bite the bullet and pay, which means the total charge for that day was £6.20 plus £25.   
 
I also wonder if ABC have updated their parking order to match that which is stated on the PCN itself? I have no idea how to check this though.

Any guidance would be much appreciated, unless it's advised to just pay...

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I believe it's possible to buy a ticket at the machine. However that wasn't an option as I had committed to paying via the app on my way to the station.
Unfortunately, there is no way of reporting any time the app is down and when it isn't playing ball other than taking a scree shot there is no other way to obtain proof. Of course, I paid as soon as I was able to. Seems unfair that I had paid for a full day, AND got charged a PCN....

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Hi guys,
Seem to have some bad luck latey.

Parked at Elwick Road Car Park (Same car park I was issued a previous PCN for a contravention that was only dismissed at Tribunal) at 07:15.
Ringo app wasn't working until I was able to pay at 09:38 where I paid the full day's cost up to and beyond 18:00 for £6.10.
Of course, PCN issued 20 minutes before at 09:18.

Do I have grounds for appeal? I paid for the whole day (recipet attached) and still get charged?

Can I get this PCN cancelled at the very first step of appeal?

Or will I have to go through the appeal, appear rejection, NTK issued, appeal officially, have official appeal rejected and go to Tribunal (Again?)

I'd just pay the £25 if I felt it was justified but i'm not paying a whole day's parking PLUS a this charge.

Any advice, wording for appeal etc. greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Circle.





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HOORAH!!!

Recieved a reply from Lidl Customer Services this afternoon advising me they have cancelled the Parking Charge Notice issued by Parking eye.

I guess it's Lidl value IPA berverages on me all round today then!

"Hi Mr. Circle87

Our Ref: 117845661

Re: Parking Charge Notice

We have some fantastic news regarding your recent parking charge notice. After carefully reviewing the information you provided, we have cancelled the charge on this occasion.

We’ve been able to do this because, you have not overstayed in the car park and we have never had to cancel a charge for you before.

If you carefully follow the instructions on the car park signage in our store’s parking area, this should not happen again in the future. If you receive any further car park charges, please appeal them directly with the car park management company.

We hope this has made your day a Lidl better.

We’d love to hear your thoughts about the service you’ve received today. To take part in our survey please click here and help shape your experience as a customer. Take care,
Hannah
Customer Care"

Thank you to all involved and your replies, especially @b789 for their punctual timeliness and dedication to the cause!

In the words of Hannah from Lidl's Customer Care Team, I hope your day gets a "Lidl" bit better from here on out.

Circle87.

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Reply from Lidl Customer Care team:

"Hi Mr. Circle87

Our Ref: 117845661

Re: Parking Charge Notice

I’m sorry to hear you’ve got a parking charge. We are here to help you in the best possible way.

Please send over the below info:

• Have you already submitted an appeal with the car park management company?

• Have you received any previous parking charges from this company?

• A copy of your parking charge notice 

Once we’ve got this, it’ll be clearer if we can help.

Take care,
Vicky
Customer Care"

I have responded with:

"Dear Vicky,


Thank you for taking the time to assist.

Currently I have not appealed, I wanted to resolve the issue you with before any further action is taken.

I have never received any previous charges from this third party company because I always scan my receipts after shopping. Hence, I cannot understand why I have received this charge.

Please see attached notice.

Many thanks,

Circle87"


I'll wait for a reply and post back here when received.


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So I have already I sent a message to Lidl Management via their online "Contact Us" section and that was on 25th May. I received an acknowledgment email and now I'm waiting for a reply. I'm not expecting much.
If this fails, which inevitably it will, I will post back here their reply and confirm what I should write next in the email to the CEO.
I guess all the while I'm waiting for replies and responses the clock is still ticking but these are the hoops I need to jump through.

I'll keep this post updated as and when. Thank you

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Thank you.

I will wait to see what Lidl comes back with and then will come back here to confirm points to raise in my unofficial appeal to Parkingeye, before being rejected and appealing to POPLA.

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Thank you, Sir.

I have to correct myself. It wasn't that I stayed longer than permitted, they are saying I didn't register my receipt at the terminal when I remember vividly that I did. If they checked their CCTV at that particular time mentioned on the Parking Charge Notice they will see I did spend money in store and I did register my receipt so I'm really not sure how I've received this notice?

Anyway, I have contacted their national on-line message contact centre with the following:

Dear Lidl store, Ashford (Kent),

I recently visited your store on 8th May at 17.52 to buy some every daily groceries after getting my haircut next door to your store. I scanned my recipet for parking and was there for 45 minutes before leaving. However Parkingeye, the third party parking firm you employ to monitor your car park, has now issued me with a parking charge notice of £90 or £45 before 14 days. I find this highly predatory behaviour and unacceptable because I scanned my receipt and entered my registration number as required but I still received a charge?? I unfortunately am not a Lidl loyalty membership card holder and I obviously don't have the recipet for my shop over 2 weeks ago.

I shop at your store regularly and always scan my receipt as required and I find this very, very frustrating, and distressing as a loyal Lidl customer.

Please Can you assist me in this matter because if you review your CCTV at this time and date you will see that I did indeed purchase groceries at your store and I did register my receipt for parking. Regrettably, if you are unable to help me appeal this charge I feel out of principle that I won't be shopping any further at any of your stores, which is very, very sad for me.

Appreciate any assistance you can provide here.

Yours faithfully,

If Lidl reply saying they are unable to help, is it best to simply give-in and pay the charge? Or do I have any grounds for appeal?

TIA

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Hi guys,

I've been a bit unlucky recently and I happened to have received the below attached letter today in the post telling me I overstayed at the Ashford (Kent) Lidl parking.

From what I recall I parked in the Lidl carpark and went to get my hair cut, but popped into the store just before leaving to buy milk and a few other bits and bobs, paying in cash. I scanned my reciept to register for the parking as I always do, and binned the recipet. I can't see how this ticket has been issued other than it's possible I may have mis-typed a digit of some sort?

As above, I don't have the recipet and I paid in cash. I've been shopping in this Lidl store for the last 10 years and this has never happened before.

£45-£90 seems a bit rediculous a for a charge when I did actually use the store to shop!

What would be the best course of action? Contact Lidl customer services or appeal straight with Parkingeye then go to POPLA?

Many thanks for your help in advance!





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Thank you very much appreciated. I've submitted comments exactly as per the above. Will, again, keep you posted. Thanks you.

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