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Quick update.

Hampshire County Council have cancelled the PCN after my appeal!

"Having reviewed the evidence, I am satisfied that the permit sign was significantly obscured by vegetation and was not clearly visible to motorists approaching or parking at this location"

Thank you so much to everybody who helped on this post  :)

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DCB Legal have replied to my formal response to their Letter Of Claim thus

"We write to acknowledge safe receipt of your formal response to our Letter of Claim sent to you in respect of this matter.

Having considered your response, our position in respect of this matter remains as per our Letter of Claim. We note that despite your points of dispute, there is an absence of any evidence in support of the same so that we may consider this with our Client. If you do have evidence which you believe supports your dispute, please furnish us with the same within the 30 days afforded to you.

As it stands, the initial 30 day timeframe under the Pre-Action Protocol remains, and County Court proceedings will be issued following expiry of this 30 day period, without any further reference to you."

To me this looks just like a cut and paste job. I will update this post when they issue the County Court proceedings.

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Ok thank you.

I have responded and will await their claim.

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Unfortunately Parkingeye are still chasing the claim as detailed in this post. I was hopeful that as it went very quiet for 12 months that they had moved on to other targets, but today I received a "Letter Of Claim" letter from DCB Legal chasing the £170.

I don't think this is the "Letter BEFORE Claim" I should be looking out for, but thought I should confirm before binning?

Many thanks

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Thanks all - I will appeal but I'm not expecting a favourable outcome.

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From where I parked I could not see the sign at all as it was completely covered by the hedge.

And this is what worries me and wherein lies your problem IMO. If you imagine for a moment that it wasn't there, then on parking your duty was to discover a traffic sign which did convey the restriction and you should have looked and found the other sign. The legal test is that signage should be adequate.

So, if you did see the post then with minimal effort you could have read the sign, but if you did not then you should have found the other(the 'only' in this scenario) traffic sign.

This is my worry at adjudication. Given the moderate length of the parking place then IMO a single sign would suffice to meet the 'adequacy' test.

There will be other views.

You lose nothing by making reps within the 14-day period.

Yes if adjudication can pull up other evidence in addition to that provided by the CEO i.e. google streetview, then I do admit the other sign will meet the adequacy test and I should have seen it.

If adjudication only rely on CEO evidence then I would certainly hope they would judge the signage as being unsatisfactory. The CEO has only provided evidence of my car in relation to the one sign hidden in the hedge, not the one down the road.




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IMO, you would struggle at adjudication.

Your photos are from improbable angles because these are not where a driver would view the sign. In any event, the second sign in the parking place is clear and approx. 20m from the sign in question, therefore even if there wasn't even a sign where you parked, the other one would be considered adequate.

Make reps within the 14-day period and safeguard the discount.

From where I parked I could not see the sign at all as it was completely covered by the hedge. The CEO had to take his photo from close up and under the hedge to get his shot, and even his angle does not show the full sign or the permit letter required. My photo is from directly opposite the sign at eye height where I felt someone would stand to read it? But yes you are correct the other sign is clear - although I did not walk past it. Is there a templated appeal response to use, or would it be better if I post my own appeal here for review?

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Hi

There is an additional sign further down the bay, but the officer did not take a photo of the car in relation to it.

Here it is from StreetView - taken from directly adjacent to the covered parking sign. The other sign is at the far end that can just me made out.

https://imgpile.com/p/EUqskEd


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Hi all

Hampshire County Council
(Code 16) Parked in a permit space without displaying a valid permit
Location: Riverside Avenue, Fareham, PO16 8TF

I parked in the space without seeing the sign (as you will see from photos, the sign was enclosed by a hedge!). I do not have a valid permit. I have not paid the PCN at this point.

Here is a link to the PCN photos

https://imgpile.com/p/GsNclO4

And my photos taken of PCN, hedge and parking sign

https://imgpile.com/p/PvdXlfw

Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye PCN KFC Portsmouth North Harbour
« on: December 15, 2024, 04:19:33 pm »
Hi

Thanks for your reply. I will await the LoC and advise further.

In the meantime, here is the POPLA response. I have tried to break it up as best as possible to make it readable...

When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. The parking operator has transferred liability to the registered keeper so they are not holding the driver liable. The PCN also invites the registered keeper to name the driver to transfer liability and if no driver details are provided, they will hold the registered keeper liable for the charge. It also advised that if no driver is identified they have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from the keeper. I am satisfied that it invites the keeper to pay the charge if no driver is identified.

The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 19.3 of the Code says parking operators need to have signs that clearly set out the terms. In this case the parking operator’s evidence shows the signs state “…2 hour max stay between 10am – 11pm…NO PARKING OUTSIDE OF THESE TIMES…Failure to comply with the terms & conditions will result in a Parking Charge of:£100…”. The signs clearly inform motorists of the terms of parking at the site, and offers a contract to motorists using the site, if they overstay the maximum stay time or park at the site when no parking is allowed the motorists is accepting a PCN will be issued to them. I am satisfied that the terms and conditions are fair under The Consumer Right Acts 2015 as the terms are made clear to motorists and it is the motorist’s choice if they choose to park there and accept the terms that are on offer.

The driver of the vehicle does not need to have read the terms and conditions of the contract to accept it. There is only the requirement that the driver is afforded the opportunity to read and understand the terms and conditions of the contract before accepting it. It is the driver’s responsibility to seek out the terms and conditions, and ensure they understand them, before agreeing to the contract and parking.

Section 19.2 of the Code says parking operators need to have entrance signs that make it clear a motorist is entering onto private land. In this case the parking operator’s evidence shows there is an entrance sign to inform motorists they are entering private land and terms and conditions apply. The site map provided by the parking operator shows there are 6 signs installed at the site informing motorists of the terms and conditions of using the site. There is sufficient signage installed at the site based on the size off it.

While I appreciate there are no images of the appellants vehicle parked near a sign, there is no requirement for the parking operator to provide these as their evidence shows signs are installed throughout the site.

Section 19.4 of the Code of Practice states that if parking operators intend to use the keeper liability provisions in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, the signs must give adequate notice of the charge. The signs have the PCN amount in large white text on a black background, I am satisfied that the PCN amount is adequately brought to motorists’ attention.

Section 7.1 of the BPA Code of Practice outlines that parking operators must have written authorisation from the landowner or their agent, to manage the land in question. This can come in the form of a witness statement under Section 23.16B of the BPA Code of Practice or a full contract. In this case the parking operator has provided as signed contract from March 2021 which is valid for 36 months. The contract does say it renews automatically unless either party terminates the contract. I am satisfied the parking operator has a valid landowner contract.

The parking operator uses Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras at the site to record how long each vehicle stays on the site for and the time they entered. As the parking operator has shown that the appellants vehicle entered the site at 09:12, 48 minutes before parking is allowed at the site, and left at 10:08 the PCN has been issued by the parking operator the vehicle was parked at the site for 38 minutes when no parking was allowed. Whilst I note the appellant has raised comments to POPLA after reviewing the operator’s case file, the comments expand on the initial grounds raised and I have addressed those within my report. Therefore, the comments do not require any further consideration.

After considering the evidence from both parties, the appellants vehicle was parked at the site when no parking was allowed without being authorised to do so and therefore the driver did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye PCN KFC Portsmouth North Harbour
« on: December 15, 2024, 12:48:24 pm »
Just a quick update on this.

The POPLA appeal was unsuccessful. I can add their response here if its important but otherwise I won't (note POPLA did say that the contract automatically renews, I could not find this in the contract myself)

I understand that any debt collection letters can be ignored.

What should I be looking out for that cannot be ignored?

Thanks!

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye PCN KFC Portsmouth North Harbour
« on: October 07, 2024, 09:52:41 am »
Dear b789 and DWMB2

Thank you so much once again for your continued help and support on this case. I am so grateful for your contributions.

I have now submitted the response to the operator summary and await the outcome.

As an aside, I did also just note that the contract states that the parking time limit is a 2 hour max stay between 11am and 11pm. This differs from all the signage at the site that state the 2 hour max stay is between 10am and 11pm. I am unsure if this difference between the contract and signage renders the PCN unenforceable however.

Thanks once again 

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye PCN KFC Portsmouth North Harbour
« on: October 06, 2024, 10:48:09 pm »
A couple of key points to expand on about the contract in your reply:

  • The contract is dated 23 March 2021. The 'Initial Term' is for 36 months, beginning on the 'Service Commencement Date' - the contract doesn't state when this is. Assuming it is 36 months from the date the contract is signed (a reasonable assumption in lieu of any evidence to the contrary), the contract they have provided expired on 22 March 2024, before the parking event in question. They have therefore not demonstrated that they had a valid contract in force on the date the parking event took place
  • They have provided a poor quality copy of the document - so poor in fact that it is impossible to read some of the terms
  • Whole sections are redacted - some of the redacted sections, including the Termination clause, for example, might contain details relevant to the case.

I'd make the biggest deal about the first of these points personally.

Thank you very much for highlighting the issues with the contract!



I have drafted a response as follows:

Re: Parking Charge Notice Issued by Parking Eye
Appellant: [name]

I am writing in response to Parking Eye case summary submitted to POPLA regarding the above parking charge notice (PCN). The operator has failed to address all the issues raised in my appeal. I request that POPLA consider the following points in support of my appeal and dismiss the PCN.

1. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of PoFA 2012.

In my appeal, I emphasised that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) issued by ParkingEye does not comply with the stringent requirements outlined in Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. This provision requires that the NtK "invite the keeper" to either pay the unpaid parking charge or provide the driver's details. Specifically, the notice must contain the word "invite" or a similar expression that clearly indicates the keeper is being requested or encouraged to take action.

As previously noted, the NtK omits the word "invite" or any appropriate synonym, representing a clear breach of the statutory requirements under PoFA. Given ParkingEye's failure to comply with Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) and their inability to provide contrary evidence in their case summary, the registered keeper cannot be held liable for the parking charge.


2. The signage was insufficient and unclear, and there is no evidence of the vehicle's location in relation to the signs.

The case summary provided by ParkingEye lacks evidence identifying the precise location where the vehicle was parked. Consequently, it is unclear how the vehicle's position relates to any signage between the parking space and the KFC entrance. Specifically, it remains uncertain whether the vehicle passed by Sign Type 1, Sign Type 2, both, or neither. As a result, the parking charge was not communicated in a clear and transparent manner, as required by law.


3. The operator has not shown that the individual being pursued is the driver.

Since ParkingEye has not fully complied with the strict conditions laid out in PoFA to hold the keeper liable, ParkingEye are put to strict proof that the person they are pursuing is the driver. Unless ParkingEye can provide unequivocal evidence that I was the driver at the time, or demonstrate full compliance with PoFA (which they have not), they cannot lawfully hold me liable for this charge.


4. No contract could be formed due to prohibitive signage.

The argument presented in my appeal is that no valid contract could be formed for parking because the signage at the car park was prohibitive rather than an offer of terms. The sign specifies a 2-hour maximum stay between 10:00 am and 11:00 pm, and since the vehicle was parked before 10:00 am, no offer to park was available. For a contract to exist, there must be a clear offer and acceptance, which is not possible when parking is prohibited before 10:00 am.

Furthermore, the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA) supports this position. Under Section 62, contract terms must be fair, and prohibitive signage that penalizes parking outside allowed hours creates an unfair imbalance. Section 68 of the CRA also requires transparency, which the signage fails to meet, as it does not clearly communicate parking restrictions in a way a reasonable consumer would understand.

In summary, ParkingEye cannot enforce a parking charge because:
    1. No contract was formed before 10:00 am.
    2. The signage was prohibitive, not offering parking terms before 10:00 am.
    3. The terms are unfair and lack transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.


5. No evidence of landholder authority.

I would like to draw attention to several critical aspects of the contract that warrant further elaboration:

Contract Duration and Expiration: The contract in question is dated 23 March 2021, and it specifies an 'Initial Term' of 36 months, commencing on the 'Service Commencement Date.' However, the contract does not indicate what this commencement date is. For the sake of argument, if we assume that the service commencement date is the same as the signing date, then the contract would logically be considered valid until 22 March 2024. Given that the parking event occurred after this expiration date, ParkingEye has failed to demonstrate that a valid contract was in effect at the time of the incident.

Quality of the Document Provided: The copy of the contract submitted is of notably poor quality, rendering many of the terms unreadable. This lack of clarity raises significant concerns about the enforceability of the contract, as key provisions may be obscured, hindering a complete understanding of the agreement's terms and conditions.

Redacted Sections: Additionally, there are extensive redactions throughout the document, including critical sections such as the Termination clause. The information that has been withheld could contain essential details relevant to this case, potentially impacting the determination of liability. Without access to this information, it is challenging to assess the implications of the contract fully.

In light of these points, it is evident that ParkingEye has not adequately substantiated their claim regarding the validity of the contract at the time of the parking event.



Conclusion:

For the reasons outlined above and in my initial appeal, the PCN has been issued incorrectly and I request that POPLA uphold my appeal and cancel the parking charge.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye PCN KFC Portsmouth North Harbour
« on: October 06, 2024, 09:16:57 pm »
As a lay person I would say PE still failed to provide sufficient evidence in all five points raised

1. The Notice to Keeper (NtK) still fails to comply with Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of PoFA 2012.
2. PE did not provide evidence of the vehicles exact parking location, therefore cannot say with certainty the signage was sufficient and clear.
3. The operator has still not shown that the individual being pursued is the driver.
4. No contract could be formed due to prohibitive signage.
5. The evidence of landowner authority was redacted and illegible and therefore cannot be used.

I will draft some better words and post them here for review. Thank you


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