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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Charge Notice - Code 31 Yellow Box BRENT Salusbury Road/ Hartland Road NW6
« on: March 25, 2026, 09:00:58 pm »
The debt has finally been registered (as confirmed by a quick telephone call this morning) and Form PE3 had been printed while ago so will secure an appointment for it to be witnessed at the relevant court.

Please can you confirm if the following is OK to write in the 'My reasons are' (give full reasons) box


I, xxxxx of xxxxx solemnly and sincerely declare that I made representations to Brent Council in respect of the above Penalty Charge Notice but did not receive a Notice of Rejection.

I became aware that the matter had progressed upon receipt of the Charge Certificate.

I make this declaration believing the contents to be true.

Is the above sufficient?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Charge Notice - Code 31 Yellow Box BRENT Salusbury Road/ Hartland Road NW6
« on: February 21, 2026, 02:27:51 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on February 21, 2026, 12:23:35 am
There is a final stage of the enforcement process after the Charge Certificate stage, which is when the council register the debt at the Traffic Enforcement Centre, (a court with no courts or judges !). When they do this, they must send you an Order for Recovery in the post. This will also include the form for submitting a Statutory Declaration on which you can state that you submitted representations, but did not receive a rejection. TEC will then cancel the Charge Certificate and the Order for Recovery, and the matter reverts to where you left of, having submitted representations. The council are informed and must then pass the matter to the adjudicators for a decision. Do note that the PCN remains outstanding.

So, do not pay the Charge Certificate (CC) or it's game over. However, you must now become proactive. When the period for payment of the CC expires the council can then register the debt, but can be tardy in doing so. You should receive the OfR in the post, but even so, phone TEC about every 7-10 days to find out if the PCN has been registered. ONce it has you can submit your Statutory Declaration. This needs to be witnessed, signed and dated either for a small fee and a solicitors or free at your local county court. This may seem to be a bit daunting but it's totally routine, with TEC processing many thousands a year. You can even download the form (PE3)  from their website: -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-pe3-challenge-an-unpaid-penalty-charge-notice

Thank you so much for the guidance. Will definitely let him know to NOT pay.
The date 14days after the CC expires 05.03.25 so will make note of that. Seeing no postal correspondence has been received thus far, will ensure to stay alert and call the Traffic Enforcement Centre regularly thereafter. However, if No letter is received from Brent, is the printable form enough to take the next step (after the debt has been registered ofcourse)?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Charge Notice - Code 31 Yellow Box BRENT Salusbury Road/ Hartland Road NW6
« on: February 21, 2026, 02:04:11 pm »

Quote from: MrChips on February 21, 2026, 12:39:49 am
What is labelled the front of the PCN is actually the charge certificate. Please could you provide a link to the original PCN front page.

Having viewed the video footage, the box junction markings are barely visible in the rain from the high vantage point of the camera, so probably even harder to see at driver level. Definitely worth raising when you get this PCN reset. The video shows a clear box junction contravention however so any defence will need to be either on the poorly marked lines or in respect of PCN defects which we can check out once you provide a link.


My apologies MrChips- I have indeed put the CC on where the PCN should have been and unfortunately unable to edit the original post.

The correct document is linked HERE - This shows the first page of the PCN.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Charge Notice - Code 31 Yellow Box BRENT Salusbury Road/ Hartland Road NW6
« on: February 20, 2026, 10:17:33 pm »
Ignore this comment - can't figure out what I've done and how to get rid of this reply box!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Charge Notice - Code 31 Yellow Box BRENT Salusbury Road/ Hartland Road NW6
« on: February 20, 2026, 10:05:27 pm »

Code 31 Yellow Box BRENT Salusbury Rd/ Hartland Rd NW6

PCN info can be found HERE on the Brent portal
PCN number BT27063176
VRM LD25XAZ

PCN Front and Back and Last

Charge Certificate Front and Back

Reps 4 screenshots 1, 2, 3 and 4

Key Events Timeline

GSV HERE


I’m looking for some advice regarding a Brent Council yellow box PCN please.

Representations were submitted online on 18/11/2025 (the last permitted day). An auto acknowledgement email was received, but nothing further was ever sent from Brent via post nor email (no Notice of Rejection, nothing at all).

Out of the blue, a Charge Certificate has now arrived increasing the amount to £240 (received today)

This is a tad fishy (not getting mail from Brent) because something very similar happened recently to an elderly friend (posted his issue HERE) he also made representations and never received a response before a Charge Certificate was issued. Could 'this' be a thing - an attemp to prevent the public from raising pcn issues at adjudication?! ....Anyway....

With this current one,
Reps were made in time
No Notice of Rejection was received
No opportunity to appeal to the tribunal was given
Now a Charge Certificate has been served

The driver maintains that at the time of the alleged contravention the weather was extremely heavy rain (chucking it down- as per cctv footage) with poor visibility. He has since revisited the location and taken photographs a- Do the lines look OK to you guys?
First Pic, Second Pic, Third Pic - He couldn't see them in heavy rain


Please can you advise on the next steps?
(Do you think he has a good argument? is there any possibility he could be let off as have since uncovered a similar one I've just come across from the PAST) Looks like the pcn wording and the box is iffy.. d'oh!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: 53J Brent Dollis Hill Rd/ Edgeware Rd/ Mount Ave - deadline tomorrow but letter arrived only 3 days ago
« on: February 09, 2026, 11:38:18 pm »
Gah! yeah, I understand.. it's so frustrating though how the councils are so quick to move the goalposts.. if Toby had not returned back home when he did - he'd have been well and truly up the creek without a paddle! Alas, 'discount' reoffered so mustn't complain'  :-X  lol

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: 53J Brent Dollis Hill Rd/ Edgeware Rd/ Mount Ave - deadline tomorrow but letter arrived only 3 days ago
« on: February 09, 2026, 11:11:27 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on February 09, 2026, 10:57:50 pm
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It reoffered the discount for both PCN's (£80 to pay) but does not allow to make reps. That's unfair, no? I assumed the process would start again.

No, it's not unfair, the process is that one gets 28 days to respond to a postal PCN, after which, whilst late representations can be submitted, the council are under no legal obligation to accept them. Here, the Charge Certificates have been served, which only allow payment not appeals. It seems the council have given way in re-offering the discount (£80).  You could try registering an appeal at London Tribunals, but this means the full PCN penalties will be in play (£160 x 2 = £320), and looking at the details of the PCNs, whilst the point about the height of the signs is valid, it is not guaranteed that an adjudicator will agree they are not adequate to convey the restriction to motorists. London Tribunals may also not accept a late request to appeal.

I think your friend has got the best option, which is to pay the £80 x 2 = £160 offered by Brent.

Thanks for that, appreciate the advice and will relay it to him- by asking if it was 'unfair', I meant - that, the 28days were over by the time he returned home from abroad (pcn also received in his absence). Brent Council were sent porof - but I guess what he really hoped was they would let him off just the one pcn - no idea if they're lenient like that.. was hoping to appeal to their better nature perhaps considering no NTO was received either?

As for risking going further and the possibility/ risk of paying full whack - that would finish him off!! Anxiety/ income issues

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / 53J Brent Dollis Hill Rd/ Edgeware Rd/ Mount Ave - deadline tomorrow but letter arrived only 3 days ago
« on: February 09, 2026, 10:07:25 pm »
PCN BT26713822  Mount Rd/ Dollis Hill Ave

PCN BT26716795  Edgeware Road / Dollis Hill Ave
 

VRN P40 GBD

re: Dollis Hill Rd/ Edgeware Rd/ Mount Ave Junctions


Slight issue and would really appreciate any help. These PCNs aren’t mine - I’m helping an elderly gentleman.

Toby received two 53J PCNs, but there are several issues (outlined below). According to the late stage final letters , he only has a day or so left to respond, despite them being received just three days ago.

Is it possible they were backdated when sent, or delayed in the post? It took around 10 days to reach Toby. Also, no Notice to Owner was received at all.

Ideally, we’d like to avoid paying either PCN, but failing that, the best outcome would be to have one cancelled and pay the other just to get this resolved and off Toby’s back.


Toby, a Blue Badge holder, drove along restricted school roads in Brent on 26/09/25.

The PCN dated 01/10/25 was received while he was away (01/10/25–31/10/25), causing him to miss the payment deadlines.

PCN Front 795: https://ibb.co/wNY1QKYK
Back 795: https://ibb.co/9H88cFTt

PCN Front 822: https://ibb.co/QFyz4yFX
Back 822: https://ibb.co/6cMxWrtf



A Charge Certificate dated 04/11/25 followed.

Front 822: https://ibb.co/qYg4mPSp
Back 822: https://ibb.co/XxYq48Gg

Front 795: https://ibb.co/LmTKsdD
Back 795: https://ibb.co/q3pTSGK9



Toby submitted an explanation via the online portal, including proof that he was abroad at the time, and received an automated acknowledgement on 11/11/25.

Screenshot of the message below. While part of the text is cut off, it states that the two fines were issued in close succession.

https://ibb.co/4RcQXDdC
https://ibb.co/67nhb1Cr


No further contact was made for 88 days, until the below arrived on 07/02/26, (dated 29/01/26 - a whole ten days earlier) It reoffered the discount for both PCN's (£80 to pay) but does not allow to make reps. That's unfair, no? I assumed the process would start again.

Front 822: https://ibb.co/sp6W61m0
Back: https://ibb.co/Zz3yTCCb

Front 795: https://ibb.co/PL4Q5tB
Back: https://ibb.co/LzHwJ2wf


Please advise as to next steps please - at a loss here. Time is very short and the last thing Toby needs is the bailiffs knocking on his door and having to pay the full whack and more. Thanking in advance.

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