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Mr Mustard - you are a legend - but I respectfully suggest you think again.

As part of my research I read the ruling on case 2240465350, and if that were the only evidence I would not have contested the PCN. However, case 2250099929 introduced significant new evidence in the form of a map from TFL released under a FOI request. The map clearly shows that the sign and the exact location where the turn would be made is, as a matter of fact, a GLA road.

The adjudicator in case 2250099929 stated:
"There is no evidence before me that would persuade me that the official map provided by Transport for London is wrong. In light of that finding, I find as a fact that the Appellant's vehicle turned left from a GLA road into Brentfield Gardens, and section 4(3) of the 2003 Act requires that in such circumstances the prior written consent of TfL is required before a penalty charge can be served by this Authority"
and the appeal was upheld.

I would urge anyone who receives a PCN to read through case 2250099929 before paying what I am convinced is an unlawfully issued PCN.

I wanted my day in court because I understand that the Tilling Rd/Brentfield Gardens location is one of the biggest PCN revenue sources for Barnet. Laws apply to all - to motorists as well as to councils. The issue in this case is not the quality of the signage, but the legality of the PCN. If the council are required by law to have the written permission of TfL to issue PCNs at that location - as I and the adjudicator of case 2250099929 believe, then they should complete the formalities and obtain it.

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Well I've won and I should be happy - but I have been denied my proverbial day in court. After spending hours preparing my case, not to mention taking time off work to attend the tribunal, I am not happy that Barnet have acted this way >:(

At the very least I would have appreciated advanced notice so that I didn't waste a half-day holiday from work. A phone call form the Tribunal just a few hours beforehand doesn't cut it. I previously took TFL to appeal, and at least they had the decency to write to me a couple of weeks before the hearing to let me know they were not contesting the appeal.

If there were any justice, Barnet should now be paying me!

I really hope that all of the work I put in - based on the work of many others in this community - provides a useful repository to help the next motorist who is penalised at this location make a valid appeal.

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My appeal was due today at 2pm via Teams. I got a call this morning to say that Barnet had failed to submit any evidence and that I did not therefore need to attend the appeal.

I have been told the adjudicator will write to me with the outcome.

I'll update further when I have more info.   

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I have nothing else to go on, the reduced fine rate option has been and gone. I therefore plan to make an appeal based on the evidence presented in THIS case by cp8759.

The appeal linked above makes reference to AN FOI REQUEST in which the case officer states:


Please see the attached document ‘FOI-3038’. On the map, the blue line shown going down from the main road to ‘cycle way’ is the end of the TfL Network. This can also be seen in the attached picture, there are ‘End of Clearway’ signs. Beyond that point roads belong to the London Borough of Barnet.

The banned left signs shown in the image are covered by GLC Order from 1976, and would be for the Borough to enforce.  A copy of the Order is attached for your information.


However, the map supplied by TFL shows that at the point where I turned left, the road is in fact a GLA road.

I will therefore appeal on this basis quoting the various cases cited by cp8759 and the two upheld appeals here and here.

I must admit to feeling completely our of my depth - so any further help or advice would be appreciated.

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I'm not sure what you mean by TMO - and Google isn't much help. Although I redacted the VRM and PCN numbers in the rejection letters, I did not in the original PCN which is here:





The img code does not appear to be working - please click HERE

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The link to the GLA Roads (No.3) Designation Order 2008

is HERE

downloads PDF

The discussion about this exact location and issue between CP8759, Karma and ashirusnw is here

There is also a previous appeal heard and upheld on this issue here

Many thanks

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Hi - so the appeal was rejected (of course!) on the basis that the London Borough of Barnet is the authorised authority for this location - and inviting me to view the TMO.


I'm no expert in this field - but my understanding is that the TMO is not relevant in my appeal.

Can anyone just give me a nod as to if my appeal is still valid and if I should consider going to Tribunal or throw in the towel now?

Here are the links - please note I have tried using the "Insert an image" option - but it is not working as you will see if you look at the code. Hence I have posted the links to the files. Apologies in advance.


Original PCN

https://ibb.co/tTnHnZ4y

My appeal is posted in this thread.

Rejection p1

https://ibb.co/23ykL5Zd

Rejection p2

https://ibb.co/svmSLKpZ

Rejection p3

https://ibb.co/NnGkyCKf

Advice gratefully received - with thanks in advance.

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Appeal to Council going in tomorrow - comments/advice appreciated.


Dear Sir/Madam,

Re: PCN AG49512224
Alleged Contravention: 50L Performing a prohibited turn (no left turn)

Tilling Road is designated a GLA road by virtue of the GLA Roads (No.3) Designation Order 2008 and therefore written consent of the GLA is required before Barnet Council can enforce this contravention.

The London Tribunals case reference 2230545486 upheld an Appeal on this basis for the same contravention on 22nd January 2024.

If Barnet Council have subsequently obtained consent in writing from the GLA to enforce this contravention on Tilling Road, please send me a copy.

If The London Borough of Barnet does not have written consent from the GLA to enforce this contravention at Tilling Rd., please withdraw the PCN.


Yours faithfully etc.

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I received this PCN and was about to pay when I thought I'd check here - and it would appear that there is grounds for appeal as Tilling Rd is a GLA road and the Council would therefore need written consent of the GLA before it can enforce the convention. That is detailed here:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/barnet-pcn-for-illegal-left-turn/msg36339/?topicseen#msg36339

But that is quite an old post - so seeking your expert advice before I start the appeals process with Barnet.

Full post here https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-for-illegal-left-turn/

Happy to take this all the way if your advice is to fight the good fight!

Link to PCN letter https://imgur.com/a/wwqVxYq

https://imgur.com/a/wwqVxYq

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