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Received the LA's response and evidence pack, adjudication date 28th May, have reuploaded some of the original response from LA, as the links have expired and the evidence pack - They seem to have tried to counter the point @Hippocrates has mentioned on the wording.

LA Response to Ajudicator:
https://ibb.co/C3gg1jk3
https://ibb.co/HT3h3km4
https://ibb.co/LdxGjSMj
https://ibb.co/wrFrzLcd

LA Evidence to Adjudicator:
https://ibb.co/zkLcbQG
https://ibb.co/GfDNJ3CD
https://ibb.co/bZWMQMt
https://ibb.co/5WD0JQZb

Previous Appeal Responses
https://ibb.co/svBT61xJ
https://ibb.co/tp6v62xg
https://ibb.co/nqD4Kjzr
https://ibb.co/hT68qPP


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Private parking tickets / Re: BPA/Parking Eye - Lee Valley Ice Centre
« on: April 28, 2026, 06:03:57 pm »
As promised an update - I spoke to the centre staff, they go nope they can't do nothing and I'll have to speak to Parkigneye, however I wasnt fully convinced, as I know other places can cancel, so I grabbed someone else who seemed more senior and he took the PCN details and managed to cancel it :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: BPA/Parking Eye - Lee Valley Ice Centre
« on: April 27, 2026, 11:25:56 am »
The PCN is POFA compliant so no wiggling out that way.
But is the land relevant land? Depending on the precise boundary, the parking of vehicles would appear to be covered by byelaws, specifically the Lee Valley Regional Park byelaws.

How does one figure out if it is relevant land or not? and if it is covered by the byelaws you've stated, where does that put me, I assume in a good position, that they PCN is not enforcable if one does not give the name of who was driving?

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Private parking tickets / Re: BPA/Parking Eye - Lee Valley Ice Centre
« on: April 27, 2026, 09:58:35 am »
The PCN is POFA compliant so no wiggling out that way. Best bet is to appeal based on the grounds you've outlined, you might get it reduced to £20 for a keying error. Have you spoken to the ice centre to get it cancelled?

Umff :( I'm going to the centre today, so will speak to them but I am not holding my breath..as they may just say sorry, just try appeal on the ground you had a lesson - But one could argue how is that any different for anyone else that gets a PCN there - Will let you know what the centre say tonight

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The red line through the ticket means his ticket roll is about to run out.

Ahh thats something new I learnt :) a shame that couldn't be used to invalidate the ticket :D

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Appeal Won - Thanks as always to both for your advice.

Manchester council clearly are not as difficult as the London councils who ignore every reason, even ones that are genuine, they verified payment for the incorrect reg hence allowed it, although highlighted it if it happens again then may not be so lucky.

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Private parking tickets / BPA/Parking Eye - Lee Valley Ice Centre
« on: April 26, 2026, 01:16:22 pm »
My second private PCN :(

https://ibb.co/Fkk9BP2J
https://ibb.co/jPWXTLk9

In the Lee Valley Ice centre, although I do remember registering the car in the centre as I always do, but now that I have received this PCN, it's making me question if I put in the wrong reg, as I use two cars to go to my lessons.

I assume this carpark woud be owned by the liesure centre, so that argument that's usually used may not work, ie its not enforcable.

The only reason I can think of using is that i genuinly have classes taht evening and can show proof, although the is in my wifes name.


However await your professional input and advice


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Best to stick with the 'O', and '0' argument, because the legally mandated font for numberplates had the same character for both.

Oh intersting, I did not know that both those appear the same visually, learnt something knew there then, the warden surely then must or should check both to be safe ?

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Hi All,

Been some time but bit hit again, after being so good!

https://ibb.co/Q3R4Tftx
https://ibb.co/fYYBMBHF

While I am confident I can and should get this overturned on the grounds of a minor keying error, the number 'o' instead of the letter 'O', also I had paid for the session, so no ill intention, however the reason I post is more to get your take on a different ground, if it would be more a valid and instant win

There is a weird red line running through the PCN and secondly thereis some text missing in the centre, although i am not sure if this is due to wear and tear where it was folded within the PCN wallet thingy.


Await to hear back :)

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@stamfordman @tincombe

Thanks for clarity around the NTO Service :)

Great I'll send this across and see, on my previous cases that have gone ajudication, theyve never re-offered a discount, but even if they did I'd be tempted to take this all the way if my case is strong.


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You get two more days owing to date of service - it should say this on the NTO.

On the NTO states

1. The authority may disregard any representations received outside of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of which this Notice to Owner is served 

2. If you have not made representations to the authority, within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which this Notice to Owner is served....

- No mention of two additional dates, while I've heard this stated across this forum, have always been scared to test the waters, have just googled it bit, states 2 days added on top of the date of notice for service :)

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Hi @stamfordman,

See my draft appeal, although in theory is very similar to the informal appeal I sent and re-iterating similar points. Added the bit you advised as point 2.


Ground: The alleged contravention did not occur


I make these formal representations following the council’s rejection of my informal challenge.

1. Incorrect and misleading contravention description

The PCN was issued for contravention code 16s – “Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid permit.”

However, the council’s own photographic evidence shows that the vehicle was parked in a shared-use bay, where parking is permitted either:
* by permit or
* by payment of the applicable tariff.

Where payment is an alternative method of lawful parking, a contravention that alleges only the absence of a permit does not accurately reflect the restriction in force. This renders the contravention description misleading and ambiguous when applied to a shared-use bay.
This point was raised in my informal challenge, but the council’s response does not address it.
It is a fundamental principle of civil enforcement that a PCN must correctly and unambiguously describe the alleged contravention. Where it does not, the contravention cannot be said to have occurred.

2. Clarification requested regarding the alleged regulation breached

In its rejection letter, the council states:
“For shared use bays, the general regulation requires either a valid permit or a correctly registered pay-by-phone session for the specific location.”

I respectfully request clarification as to which specific regulation or Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) provision the council is relying upon when making this assertion.

This clarification is necessary in order to properly understand:
* the precise legal basis of the alleged contravention, and
* how that basis aligns with the contravention alleged under code 16s, which expressly refers to the absence of a permit rather than a payment-related failure.

The council’s response to date has not identified any specific regulation or TRO provision that is said to have been breached.

3. Genuine attempt to comply and payment made

It is not disputed that:
* a RingGo parking session was purchased,
* the correct vehicle registration number was entered, and
* the session covered the full duration of my stay.

The only error was the selection of an incorrect location code by one digit (6081226 instead of 6081228).

The code entered relates to York Road, only a short distance from where the vehicle was parked, and was presented in RingGo with the description “Ilford Town, Redbridge.” The correct code refers to “Ilford Outer, Redbridge.” Given the similarity of these descriptions and the proximity of the locations, this was a genuine and understandable mistake when using the app.

There was no intention to avoid payment or circumvent parking controls. On the contrary, I actively attempted to comply and ensured payment was made.

4. No loss to the authority and disproportionate enforcement

The first hour of parking at this location is free. As such, even if no parking session had been purchased, no financial loss would have arisen during the relevant period.
Issuing a penalty in circumstances where:
* payment was made,
* the vehicle was authorised in principle to park in the bay,
* the error was minor and limited to a location code, and
* no financial loss occurred,
is disproportionate.

The Secretary of State’s Statutory Guidance advises that enforcement authorities must act fairly and proportionately and are encouraged to exercise discretion sensibly and reasonably. The council’s response does not demonstrate that discretion has been meaningfully considered in this case.

5. Failure to properly consider representations

The council’s informal rejection does not engage with:
* the argument regarding the applicability of contravention code 16s to a shared-use bay, nor
* the requirement to consider discretion in cases of genuine error and paid parking.

Instead, it merely restates that no valid session existed for the precise location code, which was never in dispute.

This suggests that my representations were not properly considered. I therefore request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

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This has got too complicated and HC Andersen isn't around.

I'll try an look at tis tomorrow - what is the date of the NTO.

Appreciate that, date on NTO is 7th jan, so beleive 28 days will actaully be end of day tomorrow (3rd), in which case I can hold out till tomorrow allowing you to review and read their rejection so we can counter them properly, as it'd be good to try counter their rejection points.

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Slight nudge, as I need to respond today :)

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Yes, usually put as "I rely on my formal representations".

Just realised the next stage appeal off the back of the NTO will actually be the formal representation to the local authority and not the ajudication just yet,

Based on the informal reps which covered the main points posted on here on November 24, 2025, 09:48:16 pm and their reply posted December 17, 2025, 06:21:52, what else can I add to this to make the council reconsider? as It will nnot make sense for me resend the same informal rep again, they'll counter with teh same reasons.?



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