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I would be sending a formal complaint to ECP in writing, telling them that their debt collectors are to immediately cease contacting you and must erase your data.

I'd copy in their data protection officer for good measure. Include a copy of the email confirming cancellation.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Becoming a hobbyist PCN Fighter
« on: June 23, 2026, 02:34:34 pm »
IIRC, there is also a retired solicitor knocking around.
Sounds like 'Nosy Parker', he's retired but maintains his SRA regulation and has picked up the odd private parking case. Doesn't post much on here these days due to other commitments.

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If I had the misfortune of representing a parking company, I'd probably also point to the fact that the assertion around the driver was disclosed at a late stage, and draw attention to its omission within the defence.

Looking at the points around the driver, in your case I would try and avoid Gladstones using any weaknesses in your defence to distract from the weaknesses in your case. The starting point is that it is for the Claimant to prove their case. Therefore, if they allege you are the driver, they should prove this on the balance of probabilities. I would draw attention to the fact that they have provided no evidence that the Defendant was the driver, and are relying on assumptions, which are disproved by your evidence. Even if your evidence is to be accorded little weight (which you assert it should not be), they have offered no evidence that you were the driver.

It then becomes a question of keeper liability.

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However, I don't think I've seen a Judge react this way before.
Nor me, although I note which judge it is - from a few we've seen from him recently, I think he's losing patience with parking claims where both sides are using templates. He's previously been critical of parking companies for their poor conduct, and appears to be taking a similar approach to defendants.

From memory, this is the same judge from a case we had on here recently where he required the defendant to provide justification for the case being heard in person, taking the view that a simple parking case is suitable to be heard on the papers.

this is a minor keying error and should have been cancelled as soon at the operator became aware of this.
This would seem a wise thing to focus on - I get the sense Iyer is more interested in the facts of the case than technical procedural points.

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This is a harsh sanction.
It's one of the main problems with the 'vague particulars' defence, in my personal view. The judge isn't wrong to say that it doesn't deal with all of the allegations in the claim, and any claims that the defendant fails to deal with can be considered to be admitted...

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In my view, the priority with individual cases should always be to get the charge cancelled. Once that's done you can pick up the 'good fight'.

In my view, the way to fight the good fight is as I've already said. Lobby your MP, file complaints, build up your knowledge and become a regular on here - I've made far more of a dent in the coffers of private parking companies by offering advice on here (and PePiPoo before this) than I ever have handling my own parking charges.

I don't mean to sound defeatist, but with individual cases there's probably not much that will tie them in knots. When you're issuing 5,000 charges per day, you conduct your business using templates. The best way to fight them is long term, trying to force change to the industry.

As I noted at the start, you could try and sue for misuse of data. That's your choice to make and is not risk free. It would essentially be a GDPR/Data Protection claim, which isn't in my immediate sphere of knowledge.

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The purpose of this part of the forum is to advise people who wish to challenge parking charges they have received. Our advice is focused on the steps a motorist can take within the system as it stands to get their charge cancelled as quickly and cheaply (both in terms of money and time) as possible. The quickest way to do that is to get the supermarket to cancel it. The second quickest way is to appeal. If you provide good evidence, you have a good chance of getting it cancelled long before court.

If people want to take up the good fight and push for change, that's their call, and I applaud them for doing so. If you want to change the system such that there is stronger regulation of the industry, you should encourage your MP to do what they can to progress the introduction of the Private Parking Bill, preferably not watered down.

Them spending £35 initiating a court claim they inevitably discontinue won't make them change. The government properly regulating the industry just might.

They were clamping vehicles until government outlawed it.


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An appeal template is unlikely to be of much use to a poster who is currently being sued and about to attend mediation...

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supermarkets are likely to look at the balance of PR vs revenue from these parking operators
In our anecdotal experience supermarkets are often some of the most responsive in terms of getting parking charges cancelled for genuine customers. Contacting them is always the best starting point.

I am done with filing complaints BTW, I don't believe it has any effect whatsoever.
Single complaints, perhaps, volumes of complaints add up. It is those motorists making a noise (in part through complaints) that kicked the government into action with their much delayed Private Parking bill.

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I wonder if one can request copies of the entire days data (or between rough time periods) so that they can show ECPs images of the driver leaving?
You can request it, but there's no obligation for them to provide it. A Subject Access Request compels them to provide any and all personal data of yours that they hold. Data/images of others people's vehicles would not constitute your data.

Your posts are contradicting each other slightly here. You started off by saying you have good proof, but are now saying that you would still need to obtain evidence, and that this would be "difficult and expensive". If you have the receipts you mentioned, that and a compelling Witness Statement would hopefully tip the balance of probabilities in your favour.

more interested in costing ECP as much as is possible (in time and solicitors fees etc).
Beware the risk of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Everyone involved in your case on ECP's side is being paid for their time dealing with your case, you are not. Last financial year ECP issued an average of 170,938 parking charges every month (based on DVLA request data). Even if only 50% pay up at the £60 rate (I'd estimate it's far far more) then that's £5m a month in revenue. They'll not notice spending a few £100s on a solicitor.

If it were me, I'd be appealing, and if you want to make the point, filing complaints with ECP, British Parking Association, the supermarket, and DVLA.

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Your frustration is understandable, but going into a case with the primary objective of causing the other party 'pain' is generally unwise. Consider 2 scenarios...

Scenario 1
You receive a parking charge notice as a result of a 'double dip'. Confident that the charge has been incorrectly issued, you respond to ECP by way of an appeal, briefly setting out your evidence and explaining that the charge is not owed. They either accept this and cancel, or reject. If they reject, you appeal to POPLA, setting out the same evidence and explaining that the charge is not owed. POPLA either accept this and cancel, or reject. If they reject, ECP may then proceed to court. At this point, you submit a defence and Witness Statement, setting out your evidence, and also drawing attention to the repeated attempts you have made to resolve the matter, and drawing attention to ECP ignoring your compelling evidence and ploughing on with a hopeless case.

Scenario 2
You receive a parking charge notice as a result of a 'double dip'. Wanting to inflict pain on ECP, you do not engage with the matter, with the hope that they will take you to court. When they eventually do, you suddenly produce evidence you have previously not shared, showing that you do not owe the money. Up until this point, ECP are unaware of the technical error that has occurred.

Which of the 2 scenarios do you think would yield the best chance of you convincing a court to award you costs on the basis that ECP have behaved unreasonably?

If you appeal, and show them clear evidence that you don't owe the money, and they still take you to court, you'd have a fair argument that they have behaved unreasonably and should pay costs. If you don't engage, ECP could argue that a not insignificant part of the reason it has ended up in court is because you took no steps to resolve the matter prior to it going to court.

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And when you say the court would take a dim view, how can this affect the driver?
If a judge takes the view that a party to litigation has behaved unreasonably, he can award costs to be paid by the party that has behaved unreasonably. In theory, a party can 'win' their case and still be deemed to have behaved unreasonably. It's quite a high bar, but why take the risk?

You could also look into misuse of personal data and making a claim for this, although this would be somewhat out of the remit of this forum. Again here though, in my view any such claim would be made stronger by showing that you had taken steps to inform them that they should not have accessed and now be continuing to process your data.

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Private parking tickets / Re: CPM private parking appeal rejected
« on: June 19, 2026, 09:39:41 am »
Help guys?
With what? Once you show us a draft of your proposed IAS appeal we can advise. You will want to include your signage map and photos to back this up showing there are no signs where claimed.

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Im guessing thats not correct as the keeper is not liable.
How have you reached that conclusion without sight of the original parking charge notice?

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Is there a specific defence template and draft order for Uk Parking Patrol Office?
I would recommend against a template defence. Some of the ones previously suggested on here are fairly frequently being struck out on the basis that they do not properly respond to the claim.

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That upload is too blurry to see properly, can you get a better quality image?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Bank Park parking charge
« on: June 18, 2026, 04:48:51 pm »
A good first stage would seem to be talking to your employer...

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