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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 01:06:25 pm

Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on June 16, 2025, 12:23:26 pm
In full :

The appellant has provided a detailed account surrounding the parking event in question. For the purpose of my report, I have summarised the grounds raised into the points below. • The Notice to Hirer fails to comply with POFA, schedule 4, paragraphs 13 and 14 • The operator has failed to provide the required documents • There is no evidence of the driver's identity • The signage is ambiguous and has unenforceable terms • The signs fail the test of fairness and transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 • No evidence of landowner authority • They request documents from the operator • They are the hirer of the vehicle and do not identify as the driver The appellant has provided 1. A copy of a third party document naming the hirer of the vehicle After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates on their grounds of appeal. They expand on PoFA and the signage in the car park. All of the above has been considered in making my determination.

Assessor supporting rational for decision
I am allowing this appeal and will detail my reasoning below. By issuing a PCN the parking operator has implied that the terms and conditions of the private land have not been met. When an appeal is brought to POPLA, the burden of proof begins with the parking operator to demonstrate the breach they claim has occurred. I must therefore assess the terms and conditions of the site, any relevant code of practice, or legislation to determine if the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the operator has issued the PCN for remaining at the car park for longer than the authorised stay. In this appeal, I am satisfied that the driver of the vehicle has not been identified. The appellant is appealing on behalf of a company and that company hired the vehicle in question. As the operator is chasing the appellant as the hirer they will need to comply with Section 13 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 which states the following: “A notice to hirer can be issued; If within 29 days of the date of the notice to keeper (starting 2 working days after the date on the notice to keeper, if sent by post) the vehicle hire company provides; · a statement signed by a representative of the vehicle hire company stating that the vehicle was hired out at the time · a copy of the hire agreement · a copy of a statement of liability signed by the person who hired the vehicle stating that the hirer will be responsible for any parking charges incurred while it is hired (it doesn’t matter if it refers to any other charges, it must refer to parking charges). On review of the case file provided, the operator has failed to show the above documents have been received which would enable them to transfer liability for the PCN successfully to the appellant, as the hirer. As such, the appellant cannot be held liable for the parking charge. I note the appellant has raised other issues as grounds for appeal, however, as I have decided to allow the appeal for the reason above, I did not feel they required further consideration.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on June 16, 2025, 12:22:09 pm
Not unexpected. However, can you please post the full POPLA decision, so we can use it for our records.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on June 16, 2025, 12:12:24 pm
Good afternoon gang - I'm pleased to say, thanks to all your help, my appeal was accepted on the following grounds:

-The appellant has provided a detailed account surrounding the parking event in question. For the purpose of my report, I have summarised the grounds raised into the points below. • The Notice to Hirer fails to comply with POFA, schedule 4, paragraphs 13 and 14 • The operator has failed to provide the required documents • There is no evidence of the driver's identity • The signage is ambiguous and has unenforceable terms • The signs fail the test of fairness and transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 • No evidence of landowner authority • They request documents from the operator • They are the hirer of the vehicle and do not identify as the driver The appellant has provided 1. A copy of a third party document naming the hirer of the vehicle After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates on their grounds of appeal. They expand on PoFA and the signage in the car park. All of the above has been considered in making my determination..

Thank you again.  Is there a pub kitty I can contribute to?

:-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: H C Andersen on April 15, 2025, 10:29:06 pm
OP, pl just post what's been requested and try and engage with the available procedures.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 03:11:42 pm
I wouldn't worry. It's only POPLA and it is hit and miss whether you get a sensible assessor or one of the feckwit morons that they employ.

The detailed nuance can be saved for a claim if this appeal is not successful. there is enough evidence to blow the operator out of the water should they try and litigate this matter.

The original appeal has not been refuted or rebutted by the operator, so if this response to the evidence pack is submitted too late... so what?
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: H C Andersen on April 15, 2025, 03:06:30 pm
Which was when?

OP, pl post this all important document.

And while on the subject of precision, IMO there are very, very serious GDPR issues at play here.

As PE have acknowledged that they are not relying on and have not at any stage sought to rely on PoFA then their only legal avenue was to write to the keeper and invite them to pay.

That's it.

The HIRER does not come into this.

They have used the HIRER's details - teased out of the registered keeper- unlawfully IMO and tried to cloak their deceit and wrongdoing in PoFA-like clothes.

There isn't a 'we can see you're only the keeper but it's the driver's details we need therefore pl give us the hirer's details and we'll write to them instead and try to bluff money out of them, even going to the lengths of defending an 'appeal'' option.

There's no provision for this deceit in the PPSCOP so they can't even use this as an excuse.

 
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 02:05:30 pm
Assuming the OP can do simple maths, they have 7 days from the date the operators evidence pack was emailed to them.

I have now edited the response to "6th page", in order to satisfy grammar and any OCD vulnerabilities. Hopefully the POPLA assessor will understand what is meant.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: H C Andersen on April 15, 2025, 01:53:30 pm
First things first!

Where's POPLA's letter telling you by when your comments have to be submitted?

Is 15th April your calculation of the latest date or is it the date of their notification amd therefore you have a further period in which to submit??

It does rather matter which it is!!!

And reference to a page number in your numbering is not a reference to a page number in PE's evidence because....they're not numbered!
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 15, 2025, 01:43:40 pm
Thank you - I really, really appreciate it.  I'll update in due course.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 12:44:05 pm
Simply copy and paste the following into the response webform on the POPLA website:

Quote
ParkingEye were clearly advised in both the initial appeal and again in the POPLA appeal that their Notice to Hirer was not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and that they therefore had no lawful basis to pursue the Hirer. They ignored that point at the time, but have now confirmed in their own evidence pack, on the 6th page, that this Parking Charge was not issued under PoFA. This confirms that they cannot rely on any provisions under that statute to transfer liability. That leaves only one possible liable party: the driver. However, ParkingEye have provided no evidence whatsoever to show who the driver was. There is no identification, no admission, and no photographic or documentary evidence that points to the Hirer being the driver.

The law is absolutely clear on this. In the absence of a valid PoFA notice, liability cannot be transferred. Furthermore, there is no legal presumption that a Hirer or Keeper was the driver, and courts have repeatedly confirmed that no such assumption can be made. In the case of VCS v Edward (2023), a Circuit Judge ruled that a parking company cannot rely on any presumption or even the balance of probabilities to argue that the registered keeper—or, by extension, the hirer—was the driver. That same principle applies here. POPLA is reminded that unless the operator can show actual proof of who was driving, they cannot pursue anyone else. As ParkingEye have chosen not to rely on PoFA and cannot identify the driver, there is no lawful basis for this charge to be upheld.

A key issue raised in the appeal was whether the terms on the signage are supported by the landowner’s authority. ParkingEye have now provided a letter of authority dated 9th September 2021 from ASDA Stores Ltd. That letter confirms a single parking restriction: a maximum stay of 3 hours, plus a redacted grace period. It makes no reference whatsoever to any one-hour restriction between 9pm and 7am, and no mention at all of reduced time limits on match days or event days. This is important because ParkingEye’s signage imposes additional restrictions that are not backed up by the landowner’s agreement. They are enforcing terms that do not form part of the landowner’s authorisation and have provided no contract variation or updated agreement to justify these extra restrictions. POPLA is reminded that an operator cannot enforce parking terms that exceed what the landowner has permitted.

In addition to this, ParkingEye have ignored the point made in the appeal about the vagueness of the signage. The signs refer to “match day” or “event day” rules without defining those terms or providing any way for a motorist to know when those rules apply. There is no calendar, no on-site notice, and nothing to tell a driver whether reduced time limits are in effect on any given day. This creates uncertainty and confusion, and fails the requirement for clear and transparent terms. ParkingEye have not responded to this issue at all and have given no explanation as to how a motorist would be expected to interpret or comply with those ambiguous restrictions.

In conclusion, ParkingEye have failed to rebut the core grounds of the appeal. They have now admitted that PoFA does not apply, confirming that they cannot hold the Hirer liable. They have provided no evidence of who was driving and have ignored binding case law that prevents any assumption being made. They have also failed to demonstrate that the signage terms they are enforcing were authorised by the landowner, and have not addressed the serious ambiguity in those signs. As such, the operator has not met the burden of proof and the appeal must be allowed.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 15, 2025, 11:52:55 am
Thank you - I have looked around the site to try and guide myself with existing info but I end up coming to a wall an over thinking the whole thing  :o   I'd be grateful if I could Google Drive it for some expert guidance.

I hope the link works - GD Link (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eZJVq-zR2-lGr2zYpNWEfDMGkBDqBIsd/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=113093484471657494984&rtpof=true&sd=true)
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 15, 2025, 10:16:54 am
If you host the files on DropBox or Google Drive (suitably redacted) we could advise but without seeing their evidence and with the tight deadline (today) for submitting your response, I guess you'll have to go through their evidence and point out any failure on their part to rebut or respond your points of appeal and to also rebut any additional points they may have included in their evidence.

You can search the forum for similar rebuttals and use some of those in yours.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 15, 2025, 09:21:45 am
Morning guys - I've had a reply from Popla with 2 documents of evidence from the operator - none of which contain any hire contracts of the vehicle I'm leasing. 

Document 1 is 45 pages long which just outlines the case with a ton of additional information about parking, ANPR, letter of authority from land owner to pursue parking charges, signage info, my appeal details, maps etc

Document 2 is just a screenshot outlining who Parking Eye are.

I am now instructed to:

"Please provide your comments on the operator evidence.
You have 7 days from the operator evidence submission date - 15/04/2025. You will not have opportunity to edit or add further detail once you have submitted your comments."

It feels like my comments are hitting a wall and no-one is listening ... is this standard procedure?  This is so tedious I can't believe how much time they are wasting over a frigging parking space. 

What other comments do I need to submit that I haven't already to continue?  Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 05, 2025, 09:59:19 pm
Thank you so much. It is alot to take in but it is evident you all know what you are talking about, and i appreciate it.  I will keep you updated.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: H C Andersen on April 05, 2025, 01:39:36 pm
It's not your burden to prove anything.

They may only pursue the:

Driver, or in lieu
The registered keeper, or if the registered keeper relieves themselves of liability,
The hirer.

Their evidence will prove you're not the registered keeper because they MUST produce a Notice to Keeper issued in the first instance to the registered keeper. What you're submitting is really just scene setting(I know this approach doesn't receive universal approval, but we're a broad church) the killer punch comes when you receive and destroy their evidence.

If POPLA operate a guillotine on admissible evidence as has been suggested then this is not natural justice. Compare this with the regulated system of penalty charge notices where the owner simply has to register an appeal with, in this case, the adjudicator and is entitled to make 'further representations' after having seen a council's evidence.

How can you assess and comment upon a creditor's evidence, in effect cross-examine them, when you haven't seen it in the first place. And your type of case highlights this principle because initial correspondence in the enforcement process had nothing to do with you, it was between the RK and creditor and maybe another party, who knows? When you're not the RK you're out of the loop.

NB.
Which is why the, IMO, most crucial document which a creditor has to produce to you and the assessor is NOT the hiring agreement or statement of liability, it's a copy of the original NTK sent to the keeper:

2)The conditions are that—

(a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper;

Without the notice to keeper (not their PCN or NTH to you but the original NTK) in evidence there is no claim against a hirer.

But go with what you've got and we can regroup if they continue and submit an evidence pack.

Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 05, 2025, 10:42:32 am
You are under absolutely no legal obligation to evidence that you were or were not the driver. They already know that you were the Keeper because they obtained your DVLA data from your V5C.

Don't overthink this. Just send what you have been advised to do.

Sorry - I edited my response! I had a 3rd party letter proving I'm not the Registered Keeper to hand.  But again, thank you for your guidance, whatever the outcome, I really appreciate the time you've all given for this.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 05, 2025, 10:33:54 am
You are under absolutely no legal obligation to evidence that you were or were not the driver. They already know that you were the Keeper because they obtained your DVLA data from your V5C.

Don't overthink this. Just send what you have been advised to do.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 05, 2025, 10:28:26 am
Here it is amended and an extra point of appeal added:

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POPLA Appeal: Grounds – Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, Ambiguous Signage, and No Evidence of Landowner Authority

I am the Hirer of the vehicle and am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on two principal grounds:

1. The Notice to Hirer (NtH) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14)

To transfer liability from the Keeper (in this case, the Hire company) to the Hirer, PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 Paragraphs 13 and 14 impose a series of strict requirements. These include not only the content of the Notice to Hirer, but also the obligation to enclose three specific documents, as listed in Paragraph 13(2):

13(2): “The documents are— (a) a copy of the statement of liability signed by the hirer under the hire agreement; (b) a copy of the hire agreement; and (c) a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm confirming that the information contained in the statement of liability is correct.

In accordance with Paragraph 14(2)(a), the operator must, within the relevant period, give the Hirer a Notice to Hirer accompanied by:

• The Notice to Keeper;
• A copy of the hire agreement;
• A copy of the statement of liability signed by the Hirer;
• A statement from the hire company confirming the hire details.

ParkingEye has failed to provide the required documents with the NtH. This renders their attempt to transfer liability to the Hirer legally ineffective.

As per Paragraph 14(1), a creditor may only pursue the Hirer if both:

• they are unable to pursue the Keeper under Paragraph 13(2); and
• they have fully met the conditions in Paragraph 14(2), including providing the required documentation.

Failure to include these documents invalidates the NtH for the purposes of PoFA, and therefore the Hirer cannot be held liable.

2. No Evidence of Driver Identity – No Presumption or Inference Permitted

As established above, the Notice to Hirer does not comply with PoFA 2012, and therefore the operator cannot transfer liability to the Hirer. In the absence of compliance with Schedule 4, liability for the charge can only rest with the driver.

Parking Eye has provided no evidence identifying the driver of the vehicle at the material time. The operator has simply issued a Notice to Hirer and proceeded on the basis that the recipient is liable.

There is, however, no legal presumption that the Hirer (or Keeper) was the driver. This has been firmly established in persuasive case law, including the appeal judgment in Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023). In that case, the Circuit Judge held that:

“It is not open to a parking company to rely on a presumption, or even the balance of probabilities, to assert that the keeper was the driver.”

This ruling confirms that liability cannot be inferred or assumed where a parking operator has chosen not to rely on PoFA or has failed to comply with its terms. In such circumstances, the burden of proof remains entirely with the operator to prove the identity of the driver.

As no such evidence has been provided in this case, and the NtH is non-compliant with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to pursue the Hirer. The appeal must be allowed on this ground alone.

3. Signage – Ambiguous and Unenforceable Terms

The signage at the site makes reference to different conditions on a “match day” or “event day,” yet provides no explanation or definition of what qualifies as a “match” or “event,” nor does it indicate how a motorist is supposed to identify such days.

There is no calendar, noticeboard, or real-time information provided on site. The ordinary motorist — the reasonable person — cannot be expected to research third-party sports fixtures or event schedules online to determine whether enhanced restrictions apply.

This renders the term “match day” vague, ambiguous, and incapable of forming a clear and enforceable contract. This is contrary to the requirement that all contractual terms be communicated transparently and unambiguously before a contract can be said to have been accepted.

This is particularly important in the context of parking charges, which carry an element of penalty. In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court highlighted the importance of prominent and transparent signage in forming enforceable parking contracts.

In this case, the signage fails to:

• Define a key term (“match day”),
• Indicate when that term applies,
• Offer any clear method for determining whether additional restrictions are active.

Consequently, any term reliant on this ambiguity fails the test of fairness and transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

4. The operator has not provided evidence of landowner authority or signage validity

Parking Eye is put to strict proof that it has a valid and current contract with the landowner. POPLA is respectfully reminded that the burden of proof lies with the operator. It is not sufficient for the operator merely to assert that it has authority.

Accordingly, I require that POPLA compel the operator to produce:

• A full and unredacted copy of the contemporaneous written agreement with the landowner;
• Evidence that the contract specifically allows Parking Eye to issue Parking Charge Notices in its own name and to take legal action to enforce them;
• Proof that the signage relied upon — particularly any referencing "match day" restrictions — formed part of the landowner’s authorisation;
• Confirmation that there have been no material changes to the signage, site layout, or contractual terms since the date of that agreement, or evidence that any such changes were approved by the landowner.

If the operator fails to provide this evidence, then it has no standing and no legal authority to pursue this charge.

Conclusion

• The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14. As such, Parking Eye has no lawful basis to transfer liability from the hire company to the Hirer.
• The operator has not provided any evidence identifying the driver, and no presumption or inference can be made. The appeal case VCS v Edward (2023, Sheffield County Court) confirms that an operator cannot rely on any assumption, inference, or “balance of probabilities” to assert that the Hirer was the driver in the absence of PoFA compliance.
• The signage is ambiguous, particularly in relation to undefined “match day” or “event day” restrictions. These terms are unclear, not time-specific, and cannot be reasonably understood by a typical motorist without external research, rendering them incapable of forming a fair and transparent contract.
• The operator has failed to provide evidence of landowner authority, and no contract has been shown that demonstrates the signage relied upon forms part of the landowner’s authorisation, nor that any material changes have been approved.

For all of the above reasons, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and instruct Parking Eye to cancel the Parking Charge Notice in full.

Huge thanks for this - have submitted and now we wait.  Fingers crossed.  ???
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 04, 2025, 02:24:00 pm
It's a technicality that the moronic POPLA assessor will not be able to comprehend. The fact that it doesn't say Notice to Hirer can be treated in exactly the same way that the mention of PoFA has to be on a notice for it to be compliant. The notice has now been issued to the Hirer in their name after the Keeper transferred liability.

Should this ever get to a court hearing (it won't), then you could try and argue the nuances of the wording in more detail. For now, treat it as though you are trying to explain the reason why the Hirer is not liable as though to a 5 year old.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: H C Andersen on April 04, 2025, 01:20:14 pm
Point taken re penalty charge and parking charge.

But as regards the latest draft, why is the PCN still being referred to as a NTH. It doesn't claim to be, in fact 'hirer' isn't mentioned as far as I can see.

The PCN does not conform to the requirements under PoFA to hold either the registered keeper or hirer liable and the driver's details are unknown to the creditor...
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 04, 2025, 12:54:10 pm
Here it is amended and an extra point of appeal added:

Quote
POPLA Appeal: Grounds – Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, Ambiguous Signage, and No Evidence of Landowner Authority

I am the Hirer of the vehicle and am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on two principal grounds:

1. The Notice to Hirer (NtH) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14)

To transfer liability from the Keeper (in this case, the Hire company) to the Hirer, PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 Paragraphs 13 and 14 impose a series of strict requirements. These include not only the content of the Notice to Hirer, but also the obligation to enclose three specific documents, as listed in Paragraph 13(2):

13(2): “The documents are— (a) a copy of the statement of liability signed by the hirer under the hire agreement; (b) a copy of the hire agreement; and (c) a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm confirming that the information contained in the statement of liability is correct.

In accordance with Paragraph 14(2)(a), the operator must, within the relevant period, give the Hirer a Notice to Hirer accompanied by:

• The Notice to Keeper;
• A copy of the hire agreement;
• A copy of the statement of liability signed by the Hirer;
• A statement from the hire company confirming the hire details.

ParkingEye has failed to provide the required documents with the NtH. This renders their attempt to transfer liability to the Hirer legally ineffective.

As per Paragraph 14(1), a creditor may only pursue the Hirer if both:

• they are unable to pursue the Keeper under Paragraph 13(2); and
• they have fully met the conditions in Paragraph 14(2), including providing the required documentation.

Failure to include these documents invalidates the NtH for the purposes of PoFA, and therefore the Hirer cannot be held liable.

2. No Evidence of Driver Identity – No Presumption or Inference Permitted

As established above, the Notice to Hirer does not comply with PoFA 2012, and therefore the operator cannot transfer liability to the Hirer. In the absence of compliance with Schedule 4, liability for the charge can only rest with the driver.

Parking Eye has provided no evidence identifying the driver of the vehicle at the material time. The operator has simply issued a Notice to Hirer and proceeded on the basis that the recipient is liable.

There is, however, no legal presumption that the Hirer (or Keeper) was the driver. This has been firmly established in persuasive case law, including the appeal judgment in Vehicle Control Services Ltd v Edward (2023). In that case, the Circuit Judge held that:

“It is not open to a parking company to rely on a presumption, or even the balance of probabilities, to assert that the keeper was the driver.”

This ruling confirms that liability cannot be inferred or assumed where a parking operator has chosen not to rely on PoFA or has failed to comply with its terms. In such circumstances, the burden of proof remains entirely with the operator to prove the identity of the driver.

As no such evidence has been provided in this case, and the NtH is non-compliant with PoFA, there is no lawful basis to pursue the Hirer. The appeal must be allowed on this ground alone.

3. Signage – Ambiguous and Unenforceable Terms

The signage at the site makes reference to different conditions on a “match day” or “event day,” yet provides no explanation or definition of what qualifies as a “match” or “event,” nor does it indicate how a motorist is supposed to identify such days.

There is no calendar, noticeboard, or real-time information provided on site. The ordinary motorist — the reasonable person — cannot be expected to research third-party sports fixtures or event schedules online to determine whether enhanced restrictions apply.

This renders the term “match day” vague, ambiguous, and incapable of forming a clear and enforceable contract. This is contrary to the requirement that all contractual terms be communicated transparently and unambiguously before a contract can be said to have been accepted.

This is particularly important in the context of parking charges, which carry an element of penalty. In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court highlighted the importance of prominent and transparent signage in forming enforceable parking contracts.

In this case, the signage fails to:

• Define a key term (“match day”),
• Indicate when that term applies,
• Offer any clear method for determining whether additional restrictions are active.

Consequently, any term reliant on this ambiguity fails the test of fairness and transparency under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

4. The operator has not provided evidence of landowner authority or signage validity

Parking Eye is put to strict proof that it has a valid and current contract with the landowner. POPLA is respectfully reminded that the burden of proof lies with the operator. It is not sufficient for the operator merely to assert that it has authority.

Accordingly, I require that POPLA compel the operator to produce:

• A full and unredacted copy of the contemporaneous written agreement with the landowner;
• Evidence that the contract specifically allows Parking Eye to issue Parking Charge Notices in its own name and to take legal action to enforce them;
• Proof that the signage relied upon — particularly any referencing "match day" restrictions — formed part of the landowner’s authorisation;
• Confirmation that there have been no material changes to the signage, site layout, or contractual terms since the date of that agreement, or evidence that any such changes were approved by the landowner.

If the operator fails to provide this evidence, then it has no standing and no legal authority to pursue this charge.

Conclusion

• The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 and 14. As such, Parking Eye has no lawful basis to transfer liability from the hire company to the Hirer.
• The operator has not provided any evidence identifying the driver, and no presumption or inference can be made. The appeal case VCS v Edward (2023, Sheffield County Court) confirms that an operator cannot rely on any assumption, inference, or “balance of probabilities” to assert that the Hirer was the driver in the absence of PoFA compliance.
• The signage is ambiguous, particularly in relation to undefined “match day” or “event day” restrictions. These terms are unclear, not time-specific, and cannot be reasonably understood by a typical motorist without external research, rendering them incapable of forming a fair and transparent contract.
• The operator has failed to provide evidence of landowner authority, and no contract has been shown that demonstrates the signage relied upon forms part of the landowner’s authorisation, nor that any material changes have been approved.

For all of the above reasons, I respectfully request that POPLA uphold this appeal and instruct Parking Eye to cancel the Parking Charge Notice in full.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 04, 2025, 12:17:15 pm
HC... Aside from the fact that it isn't a penalty charge notice, I'm not sure I agree with that approach.

In an ideal world, where POPLA were fit for purpose, it would work. In the real world, where they are not, they won't consider points that are not explicitly mentioned. Therefore, talking them through what would have to have happened for the operator to have been able to hold the hirer liable, then explaining why that hasn't happened here, is in my view more likely to succeed.

Thank you - would you mind checking my above response and OK'ing it to send to POPLA? I appreciate all the feedback.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on April 04, 2025, 12:15:03 pm
HC... Aside from the fact that it isn't a penalty charge notice, I'm not sure I agree with that approach.

In an ideal world, where POPLA were fit for purpose, it would work. In the real world, where they are not, they won't consider points that are not explicitly mentioned. Therefore, talking them through what would have to have happened for the operator to have been able to hold the hirer liable, then explaining why that hasn't happened here, is in my view more likely to succeed.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: H C Andersen on April 04, 2025, 12:03:26 pm
OP, let's just go through this step by step using actual facts!

The driver is liable for any breach.

PE have sent you a Penalty Charge Notice informing you that in their opinion the driver is liable to them in the sum of £100 for the stated breach.

Who are 'you'?

You are the lessee of a vehicle.

So...

They have NOT sent you a Notice to Hirer, so why call it such. It's not even called a Notice to Keeper! Your draft dwells on why it isn't a compliant NTH which is predicated on it trying to be one in the first place. It isn't, it's a Parking Charge Notice.

Dear Sir,
I refer to the Penalty Charge Notice dated *** addressed to me in respect of what the creditor claims was a breach of contract by the driver at the stated location on ****. This is reinforced by the only statement as regards liability which can be found in the notice(page 2 refers) which is that 'the parking charge is now payable by the driver'.

I wrote to the creditor on receipt of their PCN on ***(they refer to this as an appeal, but this is purely their internal jargon). In my letter I pointed out that the vehicle was on lease from ***. Their reply simply states that I 'have reached the end of their appeals procedure' and offers the opportunity to 'appeal' to you. But against what is unclear because their response simply repeats the contents of the PCN which is that the driver is liable.

Their reply also provided a code to 'appeal' to yourselves but on what basis is unclear as I am the lessee. None the less, I am submitting my 'appeal'.

As I understand the creditor's procedures they must prove the following:

That the driver is liable to them for the amount at issue; and in the alternative

That the registered keeper or the hirer.

The only formal notice that I have received is the Penalty Charge Notice. This was not accompanied by any enclosures or attachments. It therefore follows that you must find that unless the creditor can show that I am the driver you must accept this 'appeal' because as far a can be determined the driver is the only person referred to in the PCN and their response.

They have not established this in their evidence and therefore you must allow my 'appeal'.



IMO, this is sufficient for the moment as I think it scopes the key issues. Once this has been submitted and PE notified, they will submit evidence(if they've nothing better to do). You would be asked by POPLA to comment.

The PCN doesn't refer to hirer liability, so IMO it's unnecessary to introduce this. If anyone's going to it's them, but not you.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 08:39:21 pm
Evening folks..

I've drafted up the following, how does it look?

Quote
I am appealing this Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by Parking Eye as the Hirer on the following grounds:

The Notice to Hirer (NtH) fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 & 14, meaning liability cannot be transferred to the Hirer.

The Notice to Hirer (NtH) Fails to Comply with PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraphs 13 & 14. To transfer liability from the Keeper to the Hirer, PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 14(2) explicitly requires that the operator provides:

A copy of the hire agreement.
A copy of the statement of liability signed by the Hirer.
A statement signed by or on behalf of the hire company confirming that the vehicle was on hire during the alleged contravention.

Parking Eye has failed to provide any of these documents with the NtH. Without full compliance with these mandatory conditions, the Hirer cannot be held liable under PoFA.

Legal Reference: PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 14(2) states:“The creditor may not recover the charge from the hirer under paragraph 4 unless the creditor has given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (2) (and for the purposes of this paragraph, a reference in paragraph 6(1) or (2) to a notice to the keeper includes a reference to a notice to the hirer).”

Given the failure to comply with PoFA 2012, meaning liability cannot be transferred to the Hirer, this Parking Charge Notice is unenforceable. Therefore, I request that POPLA uphold this appeal and cancel the charge immediately.

Additionally, the signs display in the car park, parking restrictions during Match days.  How is the average person expected to know what qualifies as a match or event day, and then expected to know the dates and time of when such Matches or events are held?  The ambiguous phrase ‘Match day’ or ‘Event’ cannot be reasonably understood without external knowledge.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 12:33:59 pm
Thanks both - I'll take a look and put something together and post back for feedback before I send - worried I'm not going to get my wording correct as I need to understand what it is exactly I'm taking about.   :-\
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on April 03, 2025, 12:17:43 pm
I'd have the lack of PoFA compliance as the central pillar at POPLA as it's the most likely to convince the assessor.

I'd include the match day issue as an additional point.

Here's a recent hirer case: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/private-parking-charge-notice-no-permit-moving-out/ (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/private-parking-charge-notice-no-permit-moving-out/)
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 03, 2025, 12:09:25 pm
Is the max 1:00 stay only relative to match days? Consider this for your POPLA appeal:

The average person — the proverbial man on the Clapham Omnibus — cannot be expected to:

• Know which events qualify as a "match",
• Know the dates or times of such matches,
• Or be compelled to look it up somewhere else.

In contract law terms, this raises serious issues of uncertainty and unfairness. For a parking restriction to be enforceable as a contractual term, it must be:

• Clear and unambiguous,
• Prominently displayed, and
• Communicated at the time the contract is formed (i.e. when the driver parks and reads the sign).

The term “match day” without definition fails that test. There’s case law to support the principle that unclear or ambiguous terms cannot be relied upon to form a binding contract, especially in consumer contracts governed by the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

As this is part of a private parking dispute, you could challenge the charge on the following grounds:

• Ambiguity of terms: The phrase “match day” is not defined anywhere and cannot be reasonably understood without external knowledge.
• Failure of signage: There is no reasonable expectation that a motorist should conduct additional research to understand parking terms.
• Unfair term under CRA 2015: A term is unfair if it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’ rights to the detriment of the consumer and is not written in plain, intelligible language.

There... that should be the foundation of a POPLA appeal. Have at them!
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 10:36:18 am
I've looked through the forum - would this be ok to forward to POPLA?

To whome it may concern, I am appealing against the PCN as the Hirer of the lease vehicle however, I was NOT driving the vehicle at the time of the PCN charge. I have no legal obligation to identify the driver and I am therefore, declining to do so.  After viewing the photographic evidence presented by Parking Eye, there is no evidence to show that the person they are persuing is the driver.  The burden of proof is on the operator to show that the person they are pursuing is in fact the driver.

Please view the Photographic Evidence taken by Parking Eye and you yourself will see, all the photograph shows, is the number plate of the leased vehicle due to the photograph being captured at night.  I therefore kindly ask you to cancel the PCN Charge.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 09:59:54 am
Yes it was Google - bummer, the Car Park is a couple hours away  :( Oh well, all a learning curve.

What is the procedure for POPLA now and the Code they have given me? I'm sorry to be asking you guys to drip feed me, this is all a new avenue for me!  :-\
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on April 03, 2025, 09:54:28 am
When did you take that photo, or have you just showed us the Google Street View image again?

If the latter, that was taken in August 2023. Proving the max stay was 90mins more than a year ago wouldn't be much use, and sticking to the PoFA argument would be wise.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 09:36:58 am
Attached.

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on April 03, 2025, 09:30:51 am
Have you taken photos of this signage? If not, do so and show us.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 09:27:26 am
Just to note as well - the Parking Eye signage which I have checked, says 1hr 30min max stay,  on their PCN they have stated their max is 1hr, and they are trying to have the driver for 1hr and 33m.  So they are wrong with their timings regardless.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 03, 2025, 09:24:58 am
Good morning!

So I have received a response (attached) and it is not good news!  :-\

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 02, 2025, 02:55:46 pm
Much appreciated, b789.  I will now sit and wait!  :)
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 02:44:30 pm
As long as you explained that you were only selecting that option because it gave you no option to decline to identify as the driver, don't worry about it. Here is an amended response that covers that point:

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Subject: Re: Parking Charge Notice [Insert PCN Reference] – Response to your letter dated 2 April 2025

Dear ParkingEye,

Thank you for your most recent letter, the contents of which serve only to confirm that you have not read – or worse, have not understood – my original appeal.

Nowhere did I state that I was “not the driver.” I stated that I am the hirer of the vehicle. That is all you need to know. There is no legal obligation whatsoever—under statute or otherwise—for the Hirer to identify the driver to a private company such as yours. You are not a statutory authority, and the law does not grant you powers to demand such information. I further pointed out your statutory failings under Paragraph 14 of PoFA, which preclude you from pursuing the Hirer for this charge.

For the avoidance of doubt, I was forced to select “I am not the driver” when using your deeply flawed online appeal portal, which does not allow an appeal to proceed unless one of your rigid categories is selected. This restriction is a textbook abuse of process. If you now intend to rely on that coerced selection to misrepresent my position, then you are being both dishonest and disingenuous. I made it absolutely clear in my original appeal that I do not admit to being the driver and I have never made such an admission. If you wish to play silly buggers by mischaracterising webform checkboxes instead of addressing the statutory defects in your Notice to Hirer, then I refer you to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).

Instead of addressing the PoFA compliance issues I raised – such as your failure to include copies of all the documents required under Paragraph 13(2), or to serve a Notice to Hirer that satisfies Paragraph 14(5) – you have responded with a generic and irrelevant template letter demanding “evidence” that I have never been under any obligation to provide.

The law does not require me to assist you in correcting your procedural incompetence. Your legal right to recover this charge depends on strict compliance with the statutory conditions. You have not complied with them. That is the end of the matter.

I therefore repeat my expectation that you cancel this charge. If you decline to do so, then you must provide a POPLA code. I will not be entering into further debate about legal points you do not appear to understand.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name of Hirer]
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 02, 2025, 02:20:59 pm
Thanks b789.  When I appealed - there were 2 option to select;

1 - I am the Driver
2 - I am not the Driver
3- Additional notes

Along with my notes that I added as per one of the earlier posts, I selected number 2, as it would not let me continue to appeal without selecting 1 or 2 with my additional notes added.  I'm just concerned if I reply 'Nowhere did I state that I was “not the driver.”' they will come at me for it?

Also, unless I am being dumb, it doesn't give instructions of how to reply even if there was evidence.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on April 02, 2025, 02:14:53 pm
Respond with the following:

Quote
Subject: Re: Parking Charge Notice [Insert PCN Reference] – Response to your letter dated 2 April 2025

Dear ParkingEye,

Thank you for your most recent letter, the contents of which serve only to confirm that you have not read – or worse, have not understood – my original appeal.

Nowhere did I state that I was “not the driver.” I stated that I am the hirer of the vehicle. That is all you need to know. There is no legal obligation whatsoever—under statute or otherwise—for the Hirer to identify the driver to a private company such as yours. You are not a statutory authority, and the law does not grant you powers to demand such information. I further pointed out your statutory failings under Paragraph 14 of PoFA, which preclude you from pursuing the Hirer for this charge.

Instead of addressing the PoFA compliance issues I raised – such as your failure to include copies of all the documents required under Paragraph 13(2), or to serve a Notice to Hirer that satisfies Paragraph 14(5) – you have responded with a generic and irrelevant template letter demanding “evidence” that I have never been under any obligation to provide.

The law does not require me to assist you in correcting your procedural incompetence. Your legal right to recover this charge depends on strict compliance with the statutory conditions. You have not complied with them. That is the end of the matter.

I therefore repeat my expectation that you cancel this charge. If you decline to do so, then you must provide a POPLA code. I will not be entering into further debate about legal points you do not appear to understand.

Yours faithfully,

[Full name of Hirer]
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on April 02, 2025, 01:54:54 pm
Hey guys - hope all is well.

I have just received this email from Parking Eye (attached). 

I wasn't expecting that reply.  Please can you kindly advise how to proceed?

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 07:06:22 pm
Appeal submitted - I'll make a note on my calendar if no response in 28days.  Thanks all - hopefully this will be a successful appeal.  First one I've ever fought  ;D
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 20, 2025, 01:24:48 pm
I've told you before not to share photos of the FTLA moderation team.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 01:19:19 pm
Why have you redacted all the dates and times on the NtH? No one can give proper advice if you redact all the crucial information. Leave ALL dates and times visible on the notices!!!!!!

I have no idea - in-case it gives anything away I guess ;D

What do you think you're "giving away"? Take your tin foil hat off. These private parking operators issue over 40,000 PCNs a DAY!!!! Is your imagination running wild with images of some dark room full of computer screens and hoards of hooded youths scouring the internet for YOUR PCN? Even if they found it, what do you really imagine someone is going to do about you getting advice on how to deal with it?

(https://i.imgur.com/e6R5G9y.jpeg)
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 01:15:32 pm
Shall I go old school and appeal by post? (recorded delivery?)
No - do it online, it's free!

Also, if you ever send anything about these sort of charges by post, don't do it recorded. If the recipient declines to sign for the delivery, or it doesn't arrive for any other reason, all you're left with is proof your letter was not delivered. If you send it standard first class with a free certificate of posting, you enjoy a presumption of delivery.

But, in general, if you can do things online or by email it's sensible to do so.

Fair enough :)

I'll get it done after work so my focus is solely on submitting it correctly.  I'll let you guys know when it's done or if I have any questions during the process. 
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 20, 2025, 01:12:49 pm
Shall I go old school and appeal by post? (recorded delivery?)
No - do it online, it's free!

Also, if you ever send anything about these sort of charges by post, don't do it recorded. If the recipient declines to sign for the delivery, or it doesn't arrive for any other reason, all you're left with is proof your letter was not delivered. If you send it standard first class with a free certificate of posting, you enjoy a presumption of delivery.

But, in general, if you can do things online or by email it's sensible to do so.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 01:11:13 pm
Why have you redacted all the dates and times on the NtH? No one can give proper advice if you redact all the crucial information. Leave ALL dates and times visible on the notices!!!!!!

I have no idea - in-case it gives anything away I guess ;D
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 01:10:20 pm
In which case, this should do the trick.

Dear Sirs,

I have received you Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. I am the hirer of the vehicle. There is no obligation for me to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

To hold me liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). I note from your correspondence that you have failed to meet these conditions. These failures include (but are not limited to):

  • A failure to serve a Notice to Hirer containing all the information required by 14(5) of the Act.
  • A failure to include the additional documents mentioned by 13(2) of the Act.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from me, the hirer. As I do not have liability for this charge, I am unable to help you further with this matter. I therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you do not cancel the charge, you must provide a POPLA code.

Yours


If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.


Many thanks to you for this!  Shall I go old school and appeal by post? (recorded delivery?)
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 01:08:48 pm
Why have you redacted all the dates and times on the NtH? No one can give proper advice if you redact all the crucial information. Leave ALL dates and times visible on the notices!!!!!!
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 20, 2025, 01:06:55 pm
In which case, this should do the trick.

Dear Sirs,

I have received you Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. I am the hirer of the vehicle. There is no obligation for me to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

To hold me liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). I note from your correspondence that you have failed to meet these conditions. These failures include (but are not limited to):

  • A failure to serve a Notice to Hirer containing all the information required by 14(5) of the Act.
  • A failure to include the additional documents mentioned by 13(2) of the Act.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from me, the hirer. As I do not have liability for this charge, I am unable to help you further with this matter. I therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you do not cancel the charge, you must provide a POPLA code.

Yours


If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.

Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 01:01:54 pm
Please see attached guys - THIS IS ALL I RECIEVED IN THE POST.

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: jfollows on March 20, 2025, 12:58:38 pm
So, apart from a Notice to Hirer, which you say you have just received, and please post it here, was it accompanied by any other documentation?
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 20, 2025, 12:55:50 pm
Thanks guys - the postman has just been and ....it has arrived.
For completeness, can you show us?

Before I do anything, the Keeper has said in one of the digital letters, that I must include the attachment in my appeal.  Why is this?
Because they have a poor understanding of the process. If the notice you have now received is addressed to you, then you are not a third party, and thus don't need 'authorisation' from anyone.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 12:53:40 pm
Thanks guys - the postman has just been and ....it has arrived.

Before I do anything, the Keeper has said in one of the digital letters, that I must include the attachment in my appeal.  Why is this?

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on March 20, 2025, 12:38:04 pm
You must not do any appeal until you receive a Notice to Hirer (NtH) in your own name.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: jfollows on March 20, 2025, 12:36:43 pm
You wait for a Notice to Hirer from Parking Eye which will fail in significant aspects to hold you liable, you appeal, they will reject, you appeal to POPLA who will uphold. They hope you give up and pay out first.

Parking Eye (and others) can’t be bothered with the hassle of the requirements to hold a hirer liable, because lots of people pay up anyway.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 20, 2025, 11:30:33 am
In which case, you need to confirm with the lease company that they have passed on your details to ParkingEye as the hirer.

One of their emails says they will, but it's well worth confirming.

You should then receive your own notice from ParkingEye, which you can then appeal.

So the keeper confirmed this morning they have indeed passed my details over to them, but I've had nothing in the post yet.  Do I wait for physical post or appeal online via the emails sent to me from the keeper?
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 16, 2025, 01:52:47 pm
Shocking.  Imagine telling people that's what you do for a living.  Scare and rip people off. Ugh.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: jfollows on March 15, 2025, 08:07:14 pm
They exist because what they do isn’t illegal and they know that lots of people just pay up. Cost of producing one letter is way less than the £100 or whatever they get. They just have to say “CCJ” and too many people just fork out money. After changing their underwear.

They have contracts in which they pay all the money to implement and police a car park, including handing over all the money paid for parking, just so that they retain the money they levy in “fines” for people to whom they send letters. It’s that lucrative. Just see your local NHS car park, for example.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 15, 2025, 08:02:52 pm
Dare I ask why the government aren't trying to halt these companies?
Private Parking (Regulator) Bill (https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3705)

Progress has been stalled for rather a while. You could contact your MP to express support for proper regulation.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 07:54:11 pm
It's terrible.  Dare I ask why the government aren't trying to halt these companies?  My OAP mum had the same type of letter just a couple of months ago, for the wheel of her car being slightly out of the bay. She is driving a motobility vehicle.  I didn't know this forum existed at the time, and she didn't want to contest as she didn't know how, the stress of even receiving the letter was enough for her not wanting to detest it due to the unknown of what the backlash could be.  I hope more people find this place.  They cannot get away with what they do to people against the tedious of things.  Ugh they make me sick.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 15, 2025, 07:43:59 pm
Why do these disgusting companies exist?  >:(
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They exist out of desire on the part of landowners to deter misuse of their car parks. Unfortunately, these companies abuse this desire to run their businesses in a way that maximises their income, without regard to fairness or proportionality.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 07:26:58 pm
Wow you guys really know your stuff.  Thank you very much for your detailed replies, I very much appreciate it. I'll await physical post and I'll update this post accordingly.  Why do these disgusting companies exist?  >:(
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on March 15, 2025, 06:47:04 pm
Let's be clear on this as it will not be the first time that a lease company manages to screw this up and leave you out of pocket.

You cannot do anything until you receive a Notice in YOUR name. You will note that the copy of the Notice to Keeper (NtK) that was sent to the Registered Keeper (RK) Mitsubishi/Hitachi or whoever they are this week, does not comply with the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) section 8.4.3 which states:

"Parking operators must provide a process for rental and leasing companies to transfer liability."

Missing is the required information for a Lease/Hire company on what to do if the vehicle is under a Hire/Lease agreement. It should mention somewhere on the NtK something along these lines: "If you are a vehicle-hire firm and the vehicle was on hire at the time of the parking incident, please let us know and provide us with a copy of the hire agreement and a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement."

The NtK does not have any statement informing rental and leasing companies on what they must to in order to transfer liability. If the lease/hire company transfers liability as required by PoFA, the operator cannot later go back and try and recover anything from them.

Mitsubishi's letter of the 15th March says they have transferred liability to you. However, unless they have done so in accordance with the requirements in PoFA, technically, they can still be liable. They were required to send to the operator copies of:

(a) a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (done)
(b) a copy of the hire agreement; and (???)
(c) a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. (???)

They have complied with (a) above but have they complied with (b) and (c)?

The operator now has to issue a Notice to Hirer (NtH) in your name and should include with that NtH, copies of the documents mentioned in (a), (b) and (c) above together with a copy of the NtK that was sent to the RK. IN 99.99% of cases, the operator fails to send copies of the required documents as stipulated in PoFA paragraph 14(2)(a) which means that the Hirer cannot be liable. Only the driver is liable and they do not know the identity of the driver unless you, the Hirer tells them, inadvertently or otherwise. So, you must only ever refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that" only "the driver did this or that".

For now, you can not do anything until you receive the NtH in your own name. When you do, then you can use the appeal as provided above by @DWMB2.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 15, 2025, 06:19:25 pm
When you receive a notice in your own name, it'd be good to show us, and confirm that no other documents are enclosed. But that appeal will almost certainly be suitable.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 06:00:16 pm
Thank you.  I'll double check.  So then just to confirm, when I recieve physical post, appeal online using the above template?
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 15, 2025, 05:45:07 pm
In which case, you need to confirm with the lease company that they have passed on your details to ParkingEye as the hirer.

One of their emails says they will, but it's well worth confirming.

You should then receive your own notice from ParkingEye, which you can then appeal.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 05:42:03 pm
Ah apologies.  No, it was addressed to the lease company, who then emailed myself.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 15, 2025, 05:29:29 pm
We just need the answers to my questions in the previous post.

For ease:
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 05:19:52 pm
These emails were also received from the lease company if you needed to see them.

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: DWMB2 on March 15, 2025, 04:50:05 pm
So presumably you aren't the registered keeper (that is, you don't hold the vehicle's V5C document in your name, the lease company holding this instead)?

Are we also correct to assume that the notice you have shown us was not accompanied by any other documents (such as a copy of your lease agreement)?

If so, then as the hirer (not revealing who was driving), you can appeal along the following lines...

Dear Sirs,

I have received you Notice to Hirer [(PCN number)] for Vehicle Registration Mark [VRM]. I am the hirer of the vehicle. There is no obligation for me to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

To hold me liable for the charge as the hirer of the vehicle, you must meet the conditions specified in Paragraph 14 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“the Act”). I note from your correspondence that you have failed to meet these conditions. These failures include (but are not limited to):

  • A failure to serve a Notice to Hirer containing all the information required by 14(5) of the Act.
  • A failure to include the additional documents mentioned by 13(2) of the Act.

As a result of this, you are unable to recover the specified charge from me, the hirer. As I do not have liability for this charge, I am unable to help you further with this matter. I therefore look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you do not cancel the charge, you must provide a POPLA code.

Yours


If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.

If any of the above assumptions are wrong, or the notice from Parking Eye is not addressed to you, let us know before acting.
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 04:21:46 pm
Thanks for the replies. Yes the vehicle is leased and I'm the keeper.  I've attached the letter.

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Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on March 15, 2025, 03:09:04 pm
Is the vehicle leased? Is the notice you received addressed to you, the Keeper?
Title: Re: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: b789 on March 15, 2025, 02:13:01 pm
Mitigation is not going to do you any good. You will win this if you stick to our advice and use their technical failures against them.

ParkingEye Notices to Keeper (NtK) are never fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA and so tney cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the known keeper. However, that single point on its own is not sufficient.

You have shown GSV signs but they are undated. The sign that shows 3 hours parking but limited. To 1.5 hours in a match day is unenforceable unless there is also notice of when “match days” are in effect. How is someone from out of the area or not remotely interested in whatever “match” is about supposed to know this. There is a very good defence under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA).

Also, the signage contradicts what is on the NtK, which states that the vehicle exceeded 1 hour limit.

It would help if you could show us the NtK, redacting only your personal info and the PCN. Umber.
Title: ParkingEye Charge Notice for 3minutes in retail carpark.
Post by: Jibberjabber on March 15, 2025, 01:06:25 pm
Good afternoon.  I am the keeper of the vehicle and the driver has recieved an charge while using a retail car park, over by 3 minutes.

The driver recieved a charge today for a £100 parking charge in a supermarket carpark.  The driver was in the car park for 1hr 33m.  The sign that assured the driver they could park there was very well lit (this was late at night) and clearly stated 3 hours max stay.  The driver was picking up a 14yo child along with her friend (with a disibilty) who were attending an event in the nearby stadium.  The carpak was the safest and closest place to park given the age of the children and the disability of one of the children.  The driver is from way out of the area and has not parked here before.

The sign that PE has brought to the drivers attention and is charging the driver for, states 3 hours max stay, 1.5h max stay on match / event days.  The driver has since checked out that particular sign which is on entry of the car park where you cannot stop, is on a  bend, and isn't even in a lit area. So impossible to see unless you know it is there.

On the email, it states that the charge is applicable if the vehicle remains in the car park for longer than the 1hours and 0 minutes max stay time, but the sign in question to enforce the 'charge' says 1hr 30min, technically I was a life shattering 3 minutes over.

The photograph is the email is of the drivers number plate.  You cannot even see the car because it was so dark.  How can you see an unlit sign in the dark outlining PE conditions when the only well lit signs are the 3 hour max stay ones?

How does the driver approach this? Can the driver use evidence of one of the children being disabled (not visible) hence parking as close as possible?

TIA. 

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