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Re: Was I wrong to park here?
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Quote from: cp8759 on July 25, 2024, 08:41:35 pm
@Swahmad here you go:

Dear Liverpool City Council,

I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not occur. I did not see any suspension signs, I paid for parking on my phone, and from the CEO's photos I cannot see any evidence of a suspension sign being either in the vicinity of my vehicle, or more importantly being mounted with the two side wings so at to be properly visible.

I attach a copy of my parking payment receipt and request that the PCN be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

Send this online and don't forget to get a screenshot of the confirmation page.

As I mentioned, I was the driver but my wife is the owner of the car and the nto has been issued to her. Should I sign the letter as myself or under her name and change references to "I" to "the driver" instead. Thanks again.
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Anyone able to answer my above question please? Running out of time to submit an appeal
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The representations to the council need to be from your wife.  If you eventually get to the adjudicators, and your wife wants you to handle the case, she'll need to write and sign a letter of authority to this effect.
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Edited to be written without identifying the driver. Is this ok to submit? Thank you again

Dear Liverpool City Council,

I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not occur. The driver did not see any suspension signs, the driver  paid for parking on their phone, and from the CEO's photos I cannot see any evidence of a suspension sign being either in the vicinity of my vehicle, or more importantly being mounted with the two side wings so as to be properly visible.

I attach a copy of the parking payment receipt and request that the PCN be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,
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Who was driving is is irrelevant, the owner has full responsibility for paying or appealing. So you can say it was your husband driving if you want.

However it looks OK.
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They've rejected the formal notification

https://imgur.com/a/FaULXMu
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Maybe I've missed it, it seems they haven't reoffered the discount ant the full penalty of £70. That being the case you might as well appeal to the Adjudicator as you have no financial incentive to do otherwise.
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Quote from: Enceladus on September 03, 2024, 04:25:11 pm
Maybe I've missed it, it seems they haven't reoffered the discount ant the full penalty of £70. That being the case you might as well appeal to the Adjudicator as you have no financial incentive to do otherwise.

That's what it looks like to me. What does the adjudicator appeal involve, going to court? Or just further online appeals process? Just wondering if it'll go above £70 basically
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Having read through the letter properly doesn't look like it's going to cost me anything to write to independent adjudicators. Am I ok to send the previously written response again or do I need to reword it at all? Tia
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The amount will not increase above £70 if you lose, and if you win, there is nothing to pay. Most adjudications are done by phone these days, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal offer video adjudications.

https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/what-to-expect-at-a-hearing/
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Quote from: Incandescent on September 07, 2024, 01:36:59 pm
The amount will not increase above £70 if you lose, and if you win, there is nothing to pay. Most adjudications are done by phone these days, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal offer video adjudications.

https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/what-to-expect-at-a-hearing/

Great. Would I just in writing or on the phone make the same statements as in my formula representations?
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Quote from: Swahmad on September 07, 2024, 03:55:26 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on September 07, 2024, 01:36:59 pm
The amount will not increase above £70 if you lose, and if you win, there is nothing to pay. Most adjudications are done by phone these days, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal offer video adjudications.

https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/what-to-expect-at-a-hearing/

Great. Would I just in writing or on the phone make the same statements as in my formula representations?
No. When you register you can say for the evidence section, that "I reply on my formal representations to the council".  You can add stuff later, if anybody here suggests it.
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Quote from: Incandescent on September 07, 2024, 05:11:01 pm
Quote from: Swahmad on September 07, 2024, 03:55:26 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on September 07, 2024, 01:36:59 pm
The amount will not increase above £70 if you lose, and if you win, there is nothing to pay. Most adjudications are done by phone these days, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal offer video adjudications.

https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/what-to-expect-at-a-hearing/

Great. Would I just in writing or on the phone make the same statements as in my formula representations?
No. When you register you can say for the evidence section, that "I reply on my formal representations to the council".  You can add stuff later, if anybody here suggests it.

Is that meant to say "I rely". The tribunal will be able to see my representation to the council from before?
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Great. Would I just in writing or on the phone make the same statements as in my formula representations?

Make sure you choose phone or video hearing (NOT a decision on papers): then you can answer any questions the sdjudicator may ask.
   
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No. When you register you can say for the evidence section, that "I reply on my formal representations to the council".  You can add stuff later, if anybody here suggests it.


Is that meant to say "I rely". The tribunal will be able to see my representation to the council from before?
'I rely' was meant. The tribunal will be able to see your reps in the Council evidence pack. Once you have a Date for the hearing the council must send you a copy of the Evidence Pack in advance of the hearing. When you have the date let us know here. Also let us and the Tribunal know if you've not received the Pack 5 days before the hearing date.
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Quote from: John U.K. on September 14, 2024, 03:32:14 pm
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Great. Would I just in writing or on the phone make the same statements as in my formula representations?

Make sure you choose phone or video hearing (NOT a decision on papers): then you can answer any questions the sdjudicator may ask.
   
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No. When you register you can say for the evidence section, that "I reply on my formal representations to the council".  You can add stuff later, if anybody here suggests it.


Is that meant to say "I rely". The tribunal will be able to see my representation to the council from before?
'I rely' was meant. The tribunal will be able to see your reps in the Council evidence pack. Once you have a Date for the hearing the council must send you a copy of the Evidence Pack in advance of the hearing. When you have the date let us know here. Also let us and the Tribunal know if you've not received the Pack 5 days before the hearing date.

Would the phone hearing not be harder, in case I say the wrong thing?

Thank you for your response.

Previously on all correspondence I have putting my wife's name under the details and been writing the letters referring to the driver in third person as opposed to using I or me statements. Should I put my details now as the appellant? I'll be the one doing the phone call as I was the driver but car is registered under my wife.
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