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If you need any photos or measurements let me know.They have repainted all the road markings around the Green Man roundabout recently, but the end of the bus lane markings are untouched and look worse than ever.
I guess it is me who is representing! The NOR indicates they know the procedures so I do expect them to turn up.
Quote from: ST_2023 on July 31, 2023, 03:16:26 pmQuote from: Incandescent on July 31, 2023, 11:28:08 amThere is also no 20 metre rule. At one time the TPT used such a figure, but there is nothing in the legislation or regulations, it is up to individual adjudicators whether to consider a de minimis argument or not. As far as I know, London Tribunals and before them, PATAS, never mentioned any rule. De minimis is subjective, so one adjudicator may well disagree with another. 20 metre rule argument was used in this case, I thought that might have some importance, but if that is going to be detrimental, happy to remove it. Sarah-Jane Mendonca v London Borough of Waltham Forest (2210480049, 06 September 2021) Thanks for putting up this link. So there are people around who consider there IS a 20 metre rule, but it is nowhere to be seen in any of the legislation or regulations. The key line of the decision is this: -Quote"There is a 20 metre rule that should normally be observed before any PCN should be issued"Well, this is the first time I suspect any council has heard about this so called rule ! Interesting, though, because it can be quoted to support trivial (de minimis) intrusions into bus lanes.
Quote from: Incandescent on July 31, 2023, 11:28:08 amThere is also no 20 metre rule. At one time the TPT used such a figure, but there is nothing in the legislation or regulations, it is up to individual adjudicators whether to consider a de minimis argument or not. As far as I know, London Tribunals and before them, PATAS, never mentioned any rule. De minimis is subjective, so one adjudicator may well disagree with another. 20 metre rule argument was used in this case, I thought that might have some importance, but if that is going to be detrimental, happy to remove it. Sarah-Jane Mendonca v London Borough of Waltham Forest (2210480049, 06 September 2021)
There is also no 20 metre rule. At one time the TPT used such a figure, but there is nothing in the legislation or regulations, it is up to individual adjudicators whether to consider a de minimis argument or not. As far as I know, London Tribunals and before them, PATAS, never mentioned any rule. De minimis is subjective, so one adjudicator may well disagree with another.
"There is a 20 metre rule that should normally be observed before any PCN should be issued"
Hi all, I have received a response from LBWF today via post following my appeal. Please see attached. What are the chances of further going to tribunal and winning this?
Yes. Anything in particular?I'm thinking a close up of the gap in the line, hopefully with an accurate measurement thrown in.A view from the last 20 metres towards the lights.The refreshed road markings at the lights.
