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Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« on: July 12, 2024, 08:44:21 am »
Hello there,

Essentially, I would be grateful if any of you could advise if this PCN is defective as I believe it is.

Background: Our resident parking permit recently expired and initially we tried to renew however the website was not letting us renew - the helpline was not open and we had to take our three-year old daugher to the nursery and then go to work. Later in the day, we attempted to renew and pay again however this time the website was not accepting our payment. After persisting for 40 minutes to an hour, the website eventually it accepted the payment. There was no issue with the cards or funds. We then discovered that earlier in the day, our car received a PCN,


We've already made an informal representation where we outlined the issues with the website but they have declined to cancel the PCN. However, we also argued that the PCN is defective and they also declined to cancel the PCN on this point.

Can anyone advise whether this PCN is defective? The CEO has not printed the PCN properly so crucial info is obfuscated and/or missing. Regulations state the PCN should have

  • the date and the time at which the alleged contravention occurred – this is obfuscated due to the malfunction
  • that if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the period of 28 days referred to in subparagraph (g), a notice to owner may be served by the enforcement authority on the owner of the vehicle – this is not visible at the back due to the portion that was printed.

Thank you for your help!


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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2024, 11:08:02 am »
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Background: Our resident parking permit recently expired and initially we tried to renew however the website was not letting us renew -
But how many days after it expired did you try to renew, and also, does their system allow renewal in advance ? Did you get a reminder email at all ?

The badly-printed PCN is not really a killer appeal argument on its own, although given a sympathetic adjudicator it could.

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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2024, 01:10:29 pm »
5 days after the permit expired we tried to renew. My partner says she didn’t see an email but the council’s website says they don’t accept that as an argument. Their system actually in the end issued an email stating we have a permit from midnight that morning so technically we had a permit when we received the ticket.  The system is not great.

What would be a killer argument for a defective PCN?  It’s not just the front. Key info is missing from the back as well. The legislation clearly states what must be on the PCN so they should abide by those rules.

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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2024, 04:30:32 pm »

What would be a killer argument for a defective PCN? 


As regards the PCN, in general it resembles (and you would enclose a copy) what might be called the Andre Previn version, but with one important difference, he played all his notes whereas the following is missing in its entirety:

2(f) that if the penalty charge is not paid within the period of 28 days referred to in sub-paragraph (d), a notice to owner may be served by the enforcement authority on the owner of the vehicle.

Reps should not give the authority any opportunity to miss this key point, so admit your error - that the permit was not renewed in time which is no-one's fault but the holder's(don't labour trying to pay on day 5 when renewal should have been done earlier) - but state that by the same token and holding the authority to the same standard even if the unauthorised presentation of the PCN could be forgiven by an adjudicator, the absence of a whole section of mandatory information would not. In this respect you refer to:

2(f) that if the penalty charge is not paid within the period of 28 days referred to in sub-paragraph (d), a notice to owner may be served by the enforcement authority on the owner of the vehicle.

(Para. 2(f) of Schedule 2 to the referenced 2022 General Regulations: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/schedule/2/made )

which is missing in its entirety. This procedural impropriety would be successful grounds for appeal and therefore you would hope that the authority would accept their fundamental flaw now and not cause the Tribunal to have to step in.



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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2024, 06:53:22 pm »
Thanks for your note. They have apologised for the “misprint” in the informal response but not rescinded the PCN - I think they will when I lodge a formal representation. I agree with not labouring the other points.

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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2024, 04:12:03 pm »
Waltham Forest policy suggests they should have cancelled this. Have you had previous expired permit PCNs cancelled? Seems this was well within 14 days and you had trouble renewing.

I would either remind them now of their policy (which is in a recent 2021 document), or wait for the NTO and do so.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KVOhEfQbMehrBMi_0n7sYr4WKILx9P2D/edit


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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2024, 06:01:05 pm »
Thank you, Yeah I had seen that document on Scribd but didn’t call it out in my original email. I later found it again on the phenomenal Google Sheet on this forum and emailed them to ask. No response. I think the email address is manned by a private company so I suspect they mostly reject informal representations.

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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2024, 04:43:46 am »
An update on this; My informal appeal and formal appeals got rejected. I then appealed to Traffic Tribunals. I then received notification that the PCN had been cancelled. Thanks all.

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Re: Waltham Forest – Code 19z parked without permit, Leyton
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2024, 09:32:29 am »
great news.
for future reference it would have been good for the forum to see a copy of your reps and, importantly,their rejections, to note any failings in them.
do you have the tribunal ref No.