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So Greenwich have given me a ticket for parking ON the school zig zags - the sign says No stopping Mon-Fri 81m-5pm ON entrance markings. No part of my car (even the opening door) went over the markings, I was in the middle of the road.
I appealed and lost, I suspect the contractors just want to maximise income. I've appealed to London tribunals and said the sign says on and I'm not and the highway code says on and I'm not on. The council appeal says near means on which I think is ridiculous. Has anyone got any thoughts about if this will just be thrown out or if I need more to back up my case. I've also said if near means on, please show me the reference in law.

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My first stage appeal:


Thank you for submitting your appeal which has been sent to Parking Services for consideration and response.

You will be informed of the outcome in writing.

Please note that when contacting Parking Enforcement Services, always use your Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) number as your reference.

Case number: GR24987746
Vehicle registration: SB62PKA
Contravention: 48J - STOPPED IN RESTRICTED AREA OUTSIDE A SCHOOL
Date and time of contravention: 28/04/2026 08:09

Reason for appeal: 'Any other reason'

Your answers:

-Question 1 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why you think your PCN should be cancelled'
        Answer : 'I did not park on the zig zags I stopped level with them - you will see that the highway code says ON, not level with, not beside, not near as I was not ON this is unjust and should be cancelled.


Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in a Controlled Parking Zone) – see ‘Traffic signs’ and ‘Road markings’. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.'
-Question 2 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to support your case?'
        Answer : 'No'


their response


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See this thread for more details.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/london-borough-of-bexley-stopped-in-a-restricted-area-outside-of-school-victoria/

No harm in having sending in some representations to see what Greenwich say, but, personally based on what you describe I wouldn't risk missing out on the discount.

Sorry, now reread the thread, sounds like you are beyond that stage.  If you want any assistance, we'll need to see the paperwork and council evidence (i.e. video) to see what you'll be arguing against.

You may as well push your case given where you are.

But if you want us to take a look and see if there are any other angles you could pursue (e.g. faults with Greenwich's process), then provide the info. Without seeing the video, it's hard to form a judgement as to how close to the middle of the road you were.

The next stage, if you don't pay-up,  is the Notice to Owner.  Are you the owner, with your name and address on the V5C Registration Certificate ?

Only after you have had reps rejected against an NtO, can you register an appeal at London Tribunals. Greenwich will most likely re-offer the discount, but there isn't that option at London Tribunals, and to be honest, your argument has been tested there before and rejected. Having looked at the evidence, I don't think yoy'd win, sorry to have to say it. If you'd parked on the opposite side of the road like the other cars parked there, then you'd have been in the clear

@Incandescent - this has already reached adjudication stage.

Ah, sorry, I rushed in too quick !

From the Highway Code (my emphasis):

"Yellow zig-zag markings outside schools, hospitals or fire, police or ambulance stations indicate the length of road where you should not stop, not even to pick up or set down children or other passengers."

also:

"Rule 243
DO NOT stop or park:

near a school entrance"

You can quote from and emphasise words from the HC until kingdom come, but please don't do it for our benefit, we're not the arbiter, that privilege lies with the adjudicator.

Your point is understood: you think the HC should be explicit about the effect of this sign snd that 'length of road' takes on a narrow(literally and figuratively) meaning i.e. part of a vehicle must be on the markings for a contravention to occur.

You're free to argue this with them.

But IMO, you should post the full NOR to see if there's a second line of defence regarding propriety.