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ULEZ penalty charge notice
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Hi,
I drove in london for the 1st time in 20 years in April whilst visiting my daughter, i was in a non compliant car (1999).  She had advised me that the ULEZ zone ended at the North Circular Road, so i mistakenly entered the Ulez without realising. I became aware of my mistake 4 days later, when i entered the zone again, saw the signs and did some research. I then went on the official TFL site and paid the charge, for both entries, admittedly i was one day late on the first.  I then received a PCN 5 days after i paid.  I've contacted TFL, and given them proof of payment in the form of a bank statement, the date payment was made, the card details 1st 6 numbers and last 4, expiry date of card, exact time and date of payment, my name and car registration number. However after exchanging numerous emails they can't locate the payment.  i dont live in the UK, and they have sent my appeal papers, after they rejected my online appeal, but i may not receive them in time to appeal, as they were sent to a former address.  Any advice would be welcomed.   have to admit i find it amazing they cannot locate the payment, as they clearly received it, otherwise i would have had a 2nd PCN when i entered the 2nd time

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I'm surprised you were able to pay the charge after 3 days - do you have any screenshots? I would expect the system to say that wasn't available.

I suspect they can't match a payment because the unpaid charge was batched and sent to another system to issue the PCN.

Whose car is it, where is it registered and to whom, and where is it kept.

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Following on from stamfordman:

i dont live in the UK, and they have sent my appeal papers, after they rejected my online appeal, but i may not receive them in time to appeal, as they were sent to a former address.

You don't live in the UK.
Then how did you receive a PCN addressed to the registered keeper on the DVLA's register?



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HI, thanks for the replies.

it did let me make the payment for the date concerned not sure how but it did, i don't have a screenshot of it, but i have my bank statement showing the 2 payments. i have only ever driven in the zone twice.

i have given them the details of the card and bank statement several times,  but just going around in circles.

i received the PCN ticket, as the car was registered at my nieces house for 3 weeks prior to it being exported permanently from the UK, she sent me copies of the pcn, which started my tring to deal with this, but they sent the appeal papers there and she was away on holiday.

I find it amazing that the can find neither payment, either using the car registration and card details, as i know it was definitely the proper TFL page. 

i just dont know what to do, i keep asking them to get a senior manager to contact me, but they don't do anything'


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Whose car is it, where is it registered and to whom, and where is it kept.
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its my car, is was UK registered to me at my nieces address, and it was then exported from the UK on the 10th April, and has since be re-registered in France

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What are the PCN number and car VRM.

Did you make representations against the PCN.

Has any other mail from TFL arrived at your niece's home.

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i dont live in the UK, and they have sent my appeal papers, after they rejected my online appeal, but i may not receive them in time to appeal,


the car was registered at my nieces house for 3 weeks prior to it being exported permanently from the UK, she sent me copies of the pcn, which started my tring to deal with this, but they sent the appeal papers there and she was away on holiday.

Pl be clear. We're not dealing with a hypothetical situation, a Notice of Rejection has been issued and received at your niece's, yes?

What is the date of issue?

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hi, the appeal papers arrived here in france today, its dated 22/5/25.  PCN number is XJ55452831. car reg is t51gvc.

yes, i have made repeated contact with Customer services, given them proof of payment, car reg, payment card details and exact time and date payment was made.  i keep getting told i didn't make payment, even when i clearly show them i did, i recognise it was a 2 days late, but it let me make the payment.   its driving me insane, ive contacted them on FB, and still no joy, i keep asking for a senior manager to call me, but they do not.

im going to fill out the appeal papers today and send them back, but it seems so ridiculous when i can clearly show payment.


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any advice on the appeal papers. i want to say something about signage, as when i entered the zone, i don't recall seeing much signage, i only went in by about 1km.  admittedly i didnt realise i was going in to the zone, which contribute to me not noticing the signs,

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They issued a rejection which has details on how to appeal.

They would have sent that to the UK address - I presume your niece has forwarded the rejection?

Let's see it.

Currently the status is the discount is on offer to settle.

TFL only outsources non-payment to a debt collector for foreign registered vehicles and these can be ignored but here they would presumably escalate to sending a bailiff to your niece's house unless they accept this address is no longer applicable.

If you appeal it is at the full £180 rate. 


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Might help if we can have a look at the correspondence from TFL dated 25th April 2025, "Further Information Requested".

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im going to fill out the appeal papers today and send them back, but it seems so ridiculous when i can clearly show payment.

As you will. But pl stop what is tantamount to a charade* by continuing to use your niece's address. According to you, you have a permanent residence in a foreign country so you must make this your correspondence address and IMO send proof to the tribunal. Perhaps this might jog TfL into just abandoning their pursuit.

In your appeal YOU MUST set the scene i.e. live in ****, visiting your niece for 3 weeks, somehow obtained a UK registered vehicle for this purpose, became RK on ** and permanently exported the car on ****. (these details a very sketchy in your posts)

Then worry about arguing that you paid the road user charge.

*- plus of course if this were to play out to its fullest it would be her property visited by bailiffs because for all anyone knows this is where you reside.

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Hi,

just an update, finally got a call from someone competent at TFL yesterday afternoon, and they've cancelled the PCN, he said i can see you made the payment so everything is OK, got an email to confirm as well.

thanks for all your replies.

I registered the car at my nieces with her permission, as it needed to be registered to a British address when purchased, it was exported a couple of weeks later, and is now re-registered in France, it was insured, taxed and mot'd - not sure why that's a charade.

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Well done !

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not sure why that's [tantamount to] a charade.

Because TfL and subsequently enforcement agents treat and would have treated this address as being one for service of documents on you and ultimately execution of a warrant to seize goods when in law your link to the property was temporary and now non-existent.

Thankfully TfL have cancelled anyway, but IMO by way of info for other readers who might peruse this thread later always make sure that the enforcement authority, whether TfL, London borough or whatever know where you live for the timely service of notices. As a general standard, the law presumes service 2 working days after posting and as periods for action are always time-limited it is a risk worth taking to rely on a third party (unless you want to keep your abode/whereabouts of property hidden which clearly doesn't apply in your case).