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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2024, 07:15:30 pm »
Quote from: BH1001 on April 15, 2024, 12:37:43 pm
I have requested a copy of the rejection letter and been advised that this is in the post.
@BH1001 we don't have time for that (I repeat, it's 2024 and we have this thing called the internet), just call the tribunal first thing in the morning (they open and 8 am on Monday) and ask them for a copy of the whole evidence pack to be emailed to you. You will receive a series of PDF files, one for each item of evidence TFL has supplied. One of those will be evidence item E and within that you will find the notice of rejection.

By the way, what on Earth happened to the original notice of rejection? You must have received it if you've appealed to the tribunal?

Quote from: BH1001 on April 15, 2024, 12:37:43 pm
How do we arrange for an advocate/advisor to be on the call?
Well realistically there wouldn't be time to arrange that now, so the hearing would have to be rescheduled. I'm not sure you realise the urgency of the situation, you have a hearing on Wednesday and as far as I can see you have no firm grounds to argue.

I suggest you get hold of TFL's evidence from the tribunal via email as I have suggested above, post the notice of rejection on here and tag me in the response, if I think there is a viable appeal I may be able to help.
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2024, 03:01:50 pm »
@cp8759

It looks as though some wires have been crossed here.  This is probably due to the administrative error by TfL which resulted in the mistaken linking of two separate PCN's (XJxxxx6224 and XJxxxx7557).

As advised, one of those two (7557) has now been cancelled as a result of that administrative error.

Quote from: cp8759 on April 21, 2024, 07:15:30 pm

By the way, what on Earth happened to the original notice of rejection? You must have received it if you've appealed to the tribunal?

I posted the notice of rejection on this thread some time ago (see below) but I realise that by completely redacting the PCN numbers on that notice I may have added to the confusion.  This notice of rejection quoted the numbers of both PCN's in the heading.  I subsequently received a letter advising me that one of them (the un-appealed one) had been cancelled and this is also stated in the Case Summary that Tfl have provided.  I think I may have got my wires crossed regarding the letter that they sent informing me of the fact that they had cancelled that PCN; that was what I thought you wanted to see and that is what I requested a copy of, and that is what I posted up here a few days ago when I received it.

They are still contesting the appealed PCN at the hearing on Wednesday - here is the post containing the link to the notice of rejection:

Quote from: BH1001 on March 07, 2024, 10:10:38 pm
Letter of rejection here:

https://imgur.com/a/Fuo6QH0

My initial thoughts are (as per P2 para 2) how would it be possible for me to "make (myself) aware of any charges, tolls or other restrictions that may be in existence along along (my) route" if, as I have already informed them, I had got lost and didn't know where I was?

I apologise for any confusion that my redactions may have caused

Do you want me to request that the hearing be rescheduled?
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2024, 04:53:20 pm »
@cp8759

I requested a postponement on the grounds that I was hoping to get some support with the hearing and that I haven't been able to organise this in time.  They have refused to do this and have said that they want to know why I need support with the hearing.

I'll let you know how that goes
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2024, 10:08:53 am »
@BH1001 well it's an awful shame you've done a DIY appeal, as this could be won based on the wording of the notice of rejection, though I would add that I'd need to see the whole evidence pack to know for sure.
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2024, 10:16:02 am »
With all due respect, it wasn't my intention to carry out a DIY appeal - hence my numerous requests for advice on this thread.

I did provide the Notice of Rejection letter in a timely manner.

Obviously it's too late for you to get involved now, but if you could briefly outline your arguments against the NoR I could use that as guidance - if you can do it in the next 15 minutes that is
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2024, 10:39:14 am »
UPDATE:


The Adjudicator has granted a two week adjournment

Over to you ...
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2024, 09:31:55 am »
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The hearing is on 8th May 2024 at 11:15

Can you please let me know if you are available to attend?
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2024, 11:16:44 pm »
I'll drop you a PM.
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2024, 08:36:16 am »
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2024, 10:32:07 pm »
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Re: ULEZ non payment PCN Main Road Biggin Hill
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2024, 01:15:29 pm »
Apologies for the delay

Have sent PM
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