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Hi All I was wondering if I could get some advice please on quite a crazy situation.

A friend of mine is currently serving a jail sentence and has been for over a year.

  • Whilst inside there are multiple people that have been going in an out of his house to feed the fish, collect the post, check on everything and as such his vehicles keys and vehicle where there.
  • Someone (we don't know who) has been using the vehicle (assuming it is his car that's been used and not cloned plates which may also be the case)
  • As such there is now 2 ULEZ charges and 2 Birmingham Clean Air Zone Charges which have gone through to the courts and they are looking to recover significant amounts (£280 each for ULEZ and £190 each for Clean Air Zone)
  • I did attempt to contact both ULEZ and Clean air zone when the fines originally came through to explain that the registered owner and keeper is in prison, I provided a solicitors letter proving the same and both councils came back refusing the challenge saying it is still his responsibility.
  • How can this be so if he; 1) Has no knowledge or control over who's used the car as he is sat in a prison cell and 2) has no way of paying the fines or reading the correspondence whist inside? 

Is there anything we can do or anyone we can speak to about it? The correspondence now are talking about TE9 forms but they are for failed procedures if I understand that correctly? and they require you to pay for it to be signed off by someone?

I don't actually understand it all to be honest I just want to try and resolve the matter even if it means me paying out of my pocket the original fine amounts and getting it back off him as and when but paying out £560 to ULEZ and £380 to Clean Air Zone is just too much.

any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: ULEZ & Clean Airzone Unknown Driver
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Sorry, but we need a lot more information before any advice or comment can be give. We need to see photos of the actual documents received and also representations and responses to those reps.

Therefore please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

I also must say this is the first case of this type I have ever seen even after what must be over 10 years on this and previous forums !  It does, however, seem as if TfL are being their usual useless selves.


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There is a statutory defence of The vehicle being driven without the owners pernission, but as said lets see the documents and evidence

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Here are the statutory defences against a Birmingham PCN and ULEZ.

Birmingham Clean Air Zone Grounds of Appeal - Traffic Penalty Tribunal https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/birmingham-clean-air-zone-grounds-of-appeal/

Grounds of appeal | London Tribunals https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/ruc/grounds-appeal

As PMB said, your friend may be able to appeal these on basis of the car being used without consent (assuming true).

I don't know the mail redirection arrangements when one is in prison but hopefully it's reasonable grounds to submit a successful TE7 / TE9.

ULEZ may require the form to be signed before a legally qualified witness.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2025, 02:03:48 pm by MrChips »

Re: ULEZ & Clean Airzone Unknown Driver
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He can't appeal anything, that boat has sailed for the moment and whether it will return to port is unclear.

OP, in order to speed this along I suggest you and he park '.....without consent..', it's hopeless based on what you've said. Of course he gave consent: he left the keys there so that the vehicles) could be used as and when necessary.

This is about procedure and as already stated we need documents. We also need to know how and when correspondence with authorities was sent. So far this matter has NOT been passed to bailiffs(the sums owed would be higher) therefore we're left to assume that Orders for Recovery have been issued, and prior to these Charge Certificates.

IMO, if any correspondence was sent to the authorities prior to the CC and OfR notifying them that the owner was in prison - which in our parlance means that the authorities may not use the address supplied by DVLA - then the critical docs were not served and Out of Time submissions, or in-time if applicable, should succeed. It's possible to mange one's affairs from with a prison(but I don't speak with personal experience!).

We do not need to know about the contraventions themselves, we need documents, yours and theirs.

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Whether consent was given will depend on the circumstances. There's a world of difference between leaving the keys on display and allowing/encouraging use of the car vs someone accessing them surreptitiously, or even expressly against the wishes of the owner.

The fact the OP and owner are none the wiser as to who's been taking the vehicle give an impression it's been done on the sly.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2025, 02:44:08 pm by MrChips »

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Whether consent was given will depend on the circumstances. There's a world of difference between leaving the keys on display and allowing/encouraging use of the car vs someone accessing them surreptitiously, or even expressly against the wishes of the owner.

The fact the OP and owner are none the wiser as to who's been taking the vehicle give an impression it's been done on the sly.

+1 sometimes I just cannot see how HCA reaches  his conclusions I the guy is locked up how can it be said he de facto gives consent for someone to drive his car

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If the OP comes back and states that none of the 'multiple people that have been going in an out of his house to feed the fish, collect the post, check on everything and as such his vehicles keys and vehicle where there.' was even insured to drive the vehicle, then this might change things. As indeed that none of these persons was related etc.

It's not possible to prove a negative, but IMO absent any information which even hints at explicit restrictions - you may go in and out of my house but not use my car - then it would be found that permission was given by virtue of leaving the vehicle and the means to drive the vehicle accessible.

If all that was needed to get a keeper off the hook was to deny giving consent to people in one's house, then IMO the law would fall flat on its face.

But OP as you can see views differ.

Do not let this stop you obtaining and posting the procedural notices and your correspondence.

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We don't have enough information to comment properly on this.

Where is the vehicle kept - on or off road? Was it laid up and SORNed or was someone getting it MOT'd and taxed if on-road?

They do have telephones in prisons.

But the PCN procedure comes first and we need to see the correspondence.