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Hi guys,

Sorry for the late notice but been abroad til today.

Turns out the Mrs did this left turn twice whilst I was away and one of which the discount period ends today.

You guys (much like the people on MSE) are absolute legends and I would love to see if you could assist me in both my representation and then the corresponding appeals.

Shall I bother explaining the GLA argument in my representation or just write it did not occur to maintain the discount prior to appeal?

Much appreciated in advance,

Cheers!
« Last Edit: June 26, 2025, 06:35:15 pm by SBBFAMB »

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Re: TILLING ROAD NW2
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You and the missus know everything anout this - we don't.

For meaningful advice, please to have a read of

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here
a brief account of all the circumstances ,
all sides of the first PCN and the 1st side of subsquent PCNs) (redact only yr name & address - leave all else in),
any Council photos (inc. any videos),
and
a GSV link to the location.

Is the car yours or leased? If you are the registered keeper, is the name & address correct in every particular?

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Thank you for the swift response and the
link to a thread I had not read!

I came across this:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/barnet-pcn-for-illegal-left-turn/msg36339/?topicseen#msg36339

 and others like it and am tempted to use @Hippocrates short and concise response as my representation. The particulars are identical but I shall locate and share the requested details anyhow.

In terms of your questions the car is not leased and the address is correct.

Cheers!



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Oh dear, not this location again !  We've seen this a few times over the years. I think there was a successful appeal here at London Tribunals, so have a search on their Statutory Register using the location on the PCN. You might have to go back a few years.

As you can see from the GSV view the signs are pretty clear.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Yu23ihubwWTQU2Fs8
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Cheers mate - I'll have a look. What would be the next step thereafter?

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Cheers mate - I'll have a look. What would be the next step thereafter?
First step is to submit representations why the PCN should be cancelled, (or py it), then, if reps are rejected, you ca register an appeal at London Tribunals. The discount option is lost if you take them to LT
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Appeal was rejected - so tribunal or pay.

Are we able to contact the people who successfully won at tribunal for assistance?

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Your reps and their rejection please.
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As requested, please find attached.

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I tried 2230545486 on the ETA website but doesn't bring up any result.
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Edit....

By relying upon this decision your argument is that GLA approval is required in order that the council may impose, let alone enforce, this prohibition.

With their response they've not dealt with this issue, but by the same token you did not explain your grounds to any extent 'the PCN ..addresses the same issue'.

You did not assert that the council did not have GLA permission, simply that it was required. Perhaps there are reasons for this.

Anyway, can we pl see their rejection letter in full, minus your personal details.

Do you intend to appeal to the adjudicator?
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Here's the case I was referring to:



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I have attached the full response. The reason for me not writing any more is because I read on one of the posts that it would be rejected anyhow and that this was tribunal would be inevitable.

The rest if the write-up appears to be standard template but will attach anyhow.

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In that case, it's unclear whether GLA authority had been obtained, only that it was not in evidence. Also whether this point had been raised in formal reps or added after the appeal was registered.

From what I've read recently, adjudicators are taking a harder line now, especially with appellants' representatives and introducing new lines of argument post-NOR which are unrelated to the NOR.

But if formal reps was simply a necessary step before arguing the point in detail at a hearing, so be it. 

Anyway:
The NOR does not inform you correctly of your legal rights of appeal, specifically:

You have a legal right to have a valid(as to format) appeal registered if made no later than the end of the period of 28 days beginning on the NOR's deemed date of service.

The NOR states 28 days from.

The adjudicator at their sole discretion may register an appeal made late.

The NOR mentions this inaccurately and without its proper context under 'if you do not pay or appeal..'. The only reference to the adjudicator accepting an appeal late occurs in the clear context of a CC having been issued. What utter tosh. A CC being served has nothing to do with late appeals, let alone being a trigger. 
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So what would you recommend the write-up be in terms of appeal?

In defence of my appeal, I did reference a case which was fought based solely on jurisdiction, so perhaps the judge may be understanding with me given I'm not a legal person and I assumed reading of the case would clarify that.