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TFL: Yellow box alleged contravention - Talgarth Rd/Gliddon Rd LBHF
« on: November 20, 2023, 09:01:26 pm »
 I have received a PCN from TFL in Talgarth Rd (A4)/Gliddon Road which occurred on 28/10/2023 at 1040 hours

I am aware that you can enter a yellow box junction to turn right but was unaware the same does not apply turning left. I’d be grateful for any thoughts on how to submit an appeal on this PCN around the following points:

1. Whilst the still images do appear that I entered the YBJ I don’t believe that I was obstructing any traffic. As I was on the far left lane traffic could still pass behind me. Similarly I don’t believe I was a risk to pedestrians or any other road users

2. Is it legitimate grounds to state that I was turning left and that the only reason that I appear to enter the YBJ is that there is a pedestrian crossing on the A4 which hold traffic up for a short period of time, I am aware that this is a weak argument.

3. Are there any other arguments worth making?

The video link is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diZiWtXidWY.

The clip is quite long (5 minutes) but you can see the alleged contravention around the 2mins 34s mark.

Thanks in advance for all your help. Very happy to answer questions or queries and appreciate everyone’s help.
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Re: TFL: Yellow box alleged contravention - Talgarth Rd/Gliddon Rd LBHF
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2023, 09:45:30 pm »
The contravention is that you have to stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles.  I'm not sure the video really shows this. It shows you stopping because you were not sure if you could get round the corner and not hit the car in Lane 2, so being a bit over-cautious. Your intended lane (Lane 1),  being free.
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Re: TFL: Yellow box alleged contravention - Talgarth Rd/Gliddon Rd LBHF
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2023, 09:53:41 pm »
Draft reps:

Dear Transport for London,

The alleged contravention did not occur. It is quite obvious from the video that my vehicle could have proceeded in lane 1, and there was no stationary traffic in lane 1 that prevented it from doing so.

It follows that the alleged contravention did not occur and the penalty charge must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully
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Re: TFL: Yellow box alleged contravention - Talgarth Rd/Gliddon Rd LBHF
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2023, 12:15:40 am »
Thanks for the draft response. Has anyone got anything else to add please?
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Re: TFL: Yellow box alleged contravention - Talgarth Rd/Gliddon Rd LBHF
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2023, 01:35:03 pm »
I'll add that if TFL rejects, I'm happy to represent you at the tribunal.
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Re: TFL: Yellow box alleged contravention - Talgarth Rd/Gliddon Rd LBHF
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2023, 07:34:42 am »
Thank you. That is very much appreciated.
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