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Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The Town EN2
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I will mention this impossibility in my tribunal appeal - but would it count for anything with the adjudicator as it was written in the NOR, not the original PCN?

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The fact that the PCN does NOT give the location as Southbury is the key. The council want their cake and eat it too.

The idiom "wanting to have your cake and eat it too" means wanting to enjoy the benefits of two incompatible things at the same time. It's used to describe situations where someone desires to have it both ways, without facing the negative consequences of either option.

If you were in The Town then your argument of turning right has merit. If they now claim that you were not in The Town but instead Southbury then the PCN is incorrect.
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Understood. Will spell that out too - thanks for your advice.
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Updating to say tribunal is scheduled for 6 October. Will update with outcome after.
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Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The Town EN2
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1. I make this collateral challenge as the PCN does not state mandatory information as follows  provided @ Paras. 4(8 ) (v) which in turn relates to (iii)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

Therefore, the PCN is not valid as it is missing mandatory information. Do you want representation? But I am in Kos that day.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2025, 01:04:52 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The Town EN2
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Updating to say I had my tribunal yesterday and my appeal was allowed.

However I’ve now found myself in a weird situation where the tribunal has incorrectly logged the outcome as “appeal refused”.

The direction says “Cancel the PCN” and the last line of the adjudicator’s comments says “The appeal is allowed.”

I called London Tribunals who said they will refer to the case manager to correct, however the letter I’ll receive regarding the outcome will say the appeal has both been refused and allowed.

My concern is the council will see “appeal refused” and send a letter demanding payment, causing wasted time and effort on my part to resolve. I’ve tried calling the council’s parking enforcement team twice - both times cut off after being on hold after 20mins.

Has this happened to anyone else?
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Quote from: MachineGunJoe on October 07, 2025, 11:49:15 am
Updating to say I had my tribunal yesterday and my appeal was allowed.

However I’ve now found myself in a weird situation where the tribunal has incorrectly logged the outcome as “appeal refused”.
The direction says “Cancel the PCN” and the last line of the adjudicator’s comments says “The appeal is allowed.”
I called London Tribunals who said they will refer to the case manager to correct, however the letter I’ll receive regarding the outcome will say the appeal has both been refused and allowed.
My concern is the council will see “appeal refused” and send a letter demanding payment, causing wasted time and effort on my part to resolve. I’ve tried calling the council’s parking enforcement team twice - both times cut off after being on hold after 20mins.
Has this happened to anyone else?

It has happened before, more than once. The register will be corrected. In 10 years I've not heard of any council continuing to try and enforce in these circumstances, so I presume LT are efficient in letting Councils know.

Please let us know the case number and date of hearing.
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Re: Enfield - 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction, The Town EN2
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Quote from: John U.K. on October 07, 2025, 12:27:54 pm

It has happened before, more than once. The register will be corrected. In 10 years I've not heard of any council continuing to try and enforce in these circumstances, so I presume LT are efficient in letting Councils know.

Please let us know the case number and date of hearing.

Enfield Council seems to make the rules up as they go, so it wouldn’t surprise me…

Case number 2250338622 - hearing was yesterday, 6 October.
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