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Hi All,

Looking for some advice please with a PCN I received in April for my company car.

I received the original PCN on 3rd April, it was dated as issued on 27th March. It was sent to me from the company solicitors as all vehicles are registered to the registered business address so therefore any correspondence goes to a PO box at the solicitors. The PCN is for the entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited.

I made an appeal on the 9th April based on the fact a vehicle changed lane and blocked the exit after I had already entered the box junction. I didn't receive any email or reference when I submitted the appeal via the website. I called the London borough of Barking and Dagenham PCN department on the 25th April and was told that the appeal had been received but was advised that the appeal could take up to 3 months to be processed. I was also advised that if my appeal failed I'd have 14 days to pay the reduced amount of £65. I followed this up with an email which I also received a reply to confirming my appeal had been received.

I heard nothing back until 17th June where I received another letter forwarded by our company solicitor. This was a charge certificate and states that I did not pay the fine after my appeal was rejected and that the penalty charge is now increased to £195. I called LBBD back and was told that a appeal rejection letter was sent on the 27th April (conveniently the day after I called them) and that because I hadn't paid I now have to pay the full amount.

I checked with our solicitors and no rejection notice letter was received. I asked LBBD to send me a copy of the letter and they said I had to make a FOI request to them for a copy of it. I was told my only option now is to file a statutory declaration saying that I did not receive a rejection notice.

I have downloaded and started to fill out for statutory declaration form but the form has to be sworn before a commissioner. Is this something I could get our company solicitor to do and can it be signed electronically?

Am I wasting my time as they are unwilling to send me the supposed appeal rejection notice and if I make a FOI request for it it could take up to 3 months.

Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.

Joe

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Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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Charge Certificate is the penultimate stage of enforcement. Next stage is they register the debt at TEC, and issue an Order for Recovery by post. You can check quickly if they've done this on their website record of your PCN, because the amount on the CC goes up by the £10 TEC registration fee when they do this. Only when the debt is registered can you submit a Statutory Declaration.

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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There's probably a few bits missing.

It is likely the vehicle is registered to a leasing company. (It never used to be possible to register a vehicle to a PO box anyway).

Whose name is on the correspondence received from the authority.

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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Your solicitor is, shall we say, challenged when it comes to knowing road traffic contravention procedures.

You cannot make representations in your name; the authority may not consider reps from you; the CC is addressed other than to you, and so would the Order for Recovery, therefore you have no legal standing to submit a SD.

As per slapdash, who the hell is who in this saga?

Your company may submit a FoI request or you may do so on their behalf if you have written authorisation.

Stop anything to do with a SD until we and you know who's who and the registered keeper has the documents to hand.

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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Thanks for the replies. Sorry if my post wasn't clear on a few points.

I work for a German company but we are a UK subsidiary so our registered business address is at a solicitors in Sheffield. The vehicle is owned by the company not leased, and the registered keeper is the company name at the registered business address in Sheffield.

The original pcn was addressed to Company secretary at the registered business address (Sheffield), not my personal address and not the building where we are based.

When I appealed the pcn I used my details so assumed any further correspondence would come to my home address. The charge notice received Monday was sent to the company secretary at the Sheffield address again.

I will try to upload copies of the pcns later this evening.

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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I received this from the LBBD this afternoon.

Dear Sir/Madam,
 
Your challenge was rejected on 27/04/2024 and the discount was re-offered (but not ecercised). All PCN correspondence is sent by first class post to the keeper's registered address as provided by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and the responsibility for delivery lies with Royal Mail. The Council cannot be held liable for non-delivery.
 
A charge certificate has been issued meaning you can no longer appeal this Penalty Charge Notice (PCN). The options open to you are to settle the outstanding amount (£195) or wait for the Order for Recovery to be sent. You can then file a statutory declaration with the Traffic Enforcement Centre.
 
Please note that we cannot engage in discussion of PCNs as they must follow the appeals process. Further correspondence in this regard will not be replied.

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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It rather looks like the CoSec needs to do the SD (if it gets that far). You can do it if authorised of course, but in their name.

You as an individual have no standing (and no liability). Of course the company may look to you to reimburse anything. That's a contractual matter.

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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It rather looks like the CoSec needs to do the SD

On what grounds?

If the solicitor is prepared to sign a statement of truth to the effect that a NTO was not received, then fine.

But would they be so sure as to sign such a statement?

OP, IMO you may not sign this statement irrespective of whether you are authorised by the company or not because you have no first-hand evidence that the NTO was not received, you don't even work in the same building.

If the solicitor is adamant that a NTO was not received then let them sign the statement themselves!

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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"On what grounds? "

Lack of receipt of the NTO. Assuming that is indeed the case (as indeed you stated).

"OP, IMO you may not sign this statement irrespective of whether you are authorised by the company or not because you have no first-hand evidence that the NTO was not received, you don't even work in the same building."

'I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.’

Does an honest belief require direct first hand knowledge?

(CoSec given one actually exists does need to decide if they can legitimately delegate - which may depend on role of the delegate - and the delegate has to decide if they believe what they are told).
« Last Edit: June 19, 2024, 10:38:22 pm by slapdash »

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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I suggest that it would be helpful to get the terminology correct.

This is a yellow box junction contravention so there is no Notice to Owner (NTO). It's a postal Penalty Charge Notice.

Regardless the company can't deny receipt of it since a representation against it was submitted. Regardless of whether the appellant had any standing the LBBD seem to have accepted that he has, and issued a Notice of Rejection. However sent to the company address instead of the correspondence address that the OP provided, and which has not arrived. At least I assume it's a Notice of Rejection since the LBBD imply that the discount was re-offered but not taken up.

So if a Statutory Declaration is to be submitted then it should be for 'no response to representations'. If the company wants to do that then I suggest the OP needs to get authorisation from the company formalised PDQ.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2024, 01:43:38 pm by Enceladus »

Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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Good point by Enceladus i.e. next step is OfR.

I am going to be cautious because we haven't seen any notices and only have transposed info from the OP's recollection of phone calls.

OP, the company has the CC which would tell you the PCN number. You know the VRM so pl give us both so that we can see the authority's timeline of key events.




Re: Statutory Declaration for an unpaid PCN
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@joeg80 please read the instructions here https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/ and upload all the documents you have received to date, also make sure no to redact the PCN number and the number plate.

You categorically cannot make an FOI request because the key data in the notice of rejection is exempt from FOI, you can't make a subject access request either because the company does not have any personal data rights.

The correct procedure you must follow is explained here: https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/

You don't need any authorisation from anyone as long as you aren't knowingly exceeding your authority to act for the company, and the council doesn't challenge your authority to act for the company (which they have not done so far).
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