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Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Just received a Slough Wellington St bus Lane PCN. The PCN video link shows me entering  the bus lane just before  the  bus lane ends where the road marking arrow points left.  Need to get both sides of the original PCN to screen shoot it to reduce its size then post it here as the one I had forwarded to me is too large to post here. 


I am the registered Keeper but the log book address given is about 8 miles away as spend a lot of time overseas and have got back to the UK for a few  nasty surprises like PCNs   

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Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Please read this and update your thread as necessary: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
If you're posting documents, redact only name and address, and use a hosting site to post them, because space on this forum is very limited.

We will need to see the video, their sole evidence of the allegation.

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Video:



@sledge1uk any particular reason you cut into the bus lane?

The original TRO is The Borough of Slough (Various Roads) Bus Lane Order 2020 but it's obviously been amended to reduce the hours of operation of the bus lane to peak times only.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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sledge: I have sent you a PM.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Not familiar with this site.

Has anybody got a challenge template similar to this PCN wording /signage etc which I can use to edit and submit and what day do I need to submit it
Cheers Paul

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Hi I just came across this and need to measure back and assume this 20m starts as soon as the passenger wheel crosses the outer bus lane line .


 "Given that the most common complaint among drivers is that they moved to the left slightly too early in order to turn left, the most significant ground for appealing a bus lane fine is that drivers are permitted 20 metres of grace – approximately five car lengths. So if the supplied photographic and (in some cases) video evidence does not show the car travelling more than 20 metres in the bus lane, there are good grounds for an adjudicator to throw out the PCN."

Anybody used this and won.

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Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Hi I just came across this and need to measure back and assume this 20m starts as soon as the passenger wheel crosses the outer bus lane line .


 "Given that the most common complaint among drivers is that they moved to the left slightly too early in order to turn left, the most significant ground for appealing a bus lane fine is that drivers are permitted 20 metres of grace – approximately five car lengths. So if the supplied photographic and (in some cases) video evidence does not show the car travelling more than 20 metres in the bus lane, there are good grounds for an adjudicator to throw out the PCN."

Anybody used this and won.
I've seen this 20 metre "rule" quoted a few times, but it is not in any regulations, and just an indication of what could be an appeal based on de minimis. No adjudicator is bound by any 20 metre rule, as there isn't one.

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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+1.  There is no 20 metre rule. It is a myth - and one London adjudicator and I had a discussion about this some months ago.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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For later, I've just got this back from the council:

The make and model of the bus lane enforcement camera on Wellington Street as shown in your Google maps link is:

Make - TES Small Blue Enforcement CCTV Camera

Model - Blue Gen2

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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]The make and model of the bus lane enforcement camera on Wellington Street as shown in your Google maps link is:

Make - TES Small Blue Enforcement CCTV Camera

Model - Blue Gen2

Thanks for that and  does that mean the camera is non Compliant as a challenge if it gets to the tribunal stage?

Can you please clarify the day I have to make representation.

Date of Notice sent  10/10/2024 which was a Thursday+2 working days =14 Oct +28days = 11 Nov deadline.

Any reason not to do it now with " The contravention did not exist" before I forget.

Thanks Sledge

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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10th
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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just looked at Slough form  to use NONE OF THE ABOVE and use the last Option "Any Other Reason" and insert "The Cointervention did not exist"


 
 " Being in a bus lane

We will consider your challenge / representation according to our parking policy. If your reason for appeal is not listed in the policy, we are unlikely to accept it. However we will still consider your case individually.


Bus lane reasons
These are the common reasons relating to bus lanes which we receive queries for

Select a reason:
 I am a Blue Badge holder and I was looking for disabled parking 
 I did not realise I was in a bus lane 
 I entered the bus lane to avoid congestion 
 I stopped in the bus lane due to my medical condition 
 I was avoiding an accident 
 I was following a diversion / was directed into the bus lane 
 I was following my sat-nav / I was lost / I'm not from the area 
 I was in the bus lane, but it wasn't in operation at the time 
 I was in the bus lane, but not for a substantial distance 
 I was making way for an emergency vehicle 
 I was picking up / dropping off a passenger 
 I was taking advice from others 
 I was unaware of the rules 
 I was unaware that couriers were not permitted in the bus lane 
 I was unfamiliar with the term "Bus Gate" 
 My vehicle is a taxi 
 My vehicle type is permitted to drive in bus lanes 
 There was a road closure so the bus lane was not in operation 
 There was nowhere to turn around and avoid the bus gate 
 There were no buses in the bus lane at the time 
Other reasons
Non bus lane specific reasons that will appear in Bus Lane context

Select a reason:
 A friend / family member recently passed away 
 I didn't see / understand the signage 
 I have already paid the PCN 
 I was not at the location on the day 
 I was not the driver 
 I was not the owner / keeper of the vehicle 
 I was unaware that a PCN had been issued as I've been away 
 My vehicle had broken down 
 My vehicle was cloned 
 My vehicle was stolen 
 The owner of the vehicle has passed away 
 The vehicle was on hire to someone else 
None of the above
If none of the above reasons apply, and you wish to challenge your PCN, please select below:

Select a reason:
 Any other reasonn  ANY OTHER REASON
 "

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Remembered and Done 
 
Appeal complete
Thank you for submitting an appeal. A member of the parking team will review your appeal and contact you with the outcome shortly
An email containing a summary of your appeal has been sent to the address you provided
Thank you for this information. We will look at the details you have given us and will contact you shortly

Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Just received the Slough Notice of Rejection of representation and appears I can only sent 1 attachment so here is the info provided
Notice of rejection date   13/11/2024
PCN Number                 SB41783836
Vehicle Registration Mark  SE07XKX
PIN Code                   87K424
Car


Logged onto the TPT site  as a test case to familiar my self with the process and selected "The alleged bus lane contravention did not occur." and got as far as the second attachment and need guidance on the input. 

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Re: Slough Wellington St Bus lane PCN
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Re earlier post in case their wording is flawed on the Slough Notice of rejection 

Here are  all 6 pages based on my challenge one liner "The alleged bus lane contravention did not occur."  where item 2 cont and item 5 will be sent separately as not sure if I can post all 3 and dont understand that URL method.

Where is the link to delete attachments and edit posts?

Cheers P

Review ADD on to post
have just sent it but only I  attachment shows (191KB) but states 2 attachments send ????? at the bottom and this post and has a review option which I have just hit and the attachments are gone. Just added attachment 1 191KB and 2 141KB  again [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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« Last Edit: November 18, 2024, 02:54:22 pm by sledge1uk »