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Just received these PCNs from HAVERING council for 52M Contravention code-Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of Vehicle. Surprisingly I have received 2 PCNs for the same alleged contravention at exactly same time. I have attached the PCNs copies with this. I went to pick up food and you can barely see the signs. I believe it was bus only routes (not bus lane) or so.

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Could you please advise what might be best options moving forward?

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I need to see the image on the PCN as this is vital.
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Thanks for replying. The PCNs letters are attached via google drive link.

Much appreciated.

So the venal and rapacious Havering Council carry on in the same old way.

These are very well known restrictions on this forum, and there have been some wins at London Tribunals.

1. PCN South St/Eastern Road
Their photos do not show any signs being passed, because the signs are not at the location on the PCN. The signs are here at the junction of South Street and Atlanta Boulevard/ictoria Road: -
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Note that this is an Oct 2024 view, the latest, so the signs may have been updated since. Havering were too idle and stupid to put the camera there instead of where it is now.

2.PCN South St/Havana Close
Their photos show you driving straight on on South Street, but you should have turned left into Havana Close
Here is GSV, but its Dec 2020, and the sign has been changed to a "Flying Moorbike" sign.
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Yes the sign is not clear or fairly visible. What do you recommend now, please? How do you deal with that?

Thanks

First point is that Havering will not re-offer the discount if you submit representations. That means if you do submit them, it means it becomes a total no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals, because the penalty remains the same, and there are no additional costs. But Havering do have costs, being the cost of preparing the evidence pack and also paying the adjudication fee.

Looking at the two PCNs, I think the one for South Street/Havana Close would be harder to win at LT, because you are faced with the restriction sign, yet drove straight past it. For South Street/Eastern Road, you need to tell us your approach to the station underbridge. Was it a left or right turn, or just straight over the cross roads. There has been a win here, see Case Number 2240307021 in the LT Statutory Register for the Environment and Traffic Adjudicators.

You might also care to look at Case Number 2250496292 which seems to match your circumstances entirely.

So really it's all down to your attitude to risk; cough-up now for £80 or take the double-or-quits gamble at London Tribunals.

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It was straight cross over road and the signs were unclear. I will go and visit that place and take videos and pics. But this alleged contraventions, if you look at PCN- they have captured these at the same time. Not understanding how 2 contraventions were made at the same time.

Thank you for kindly looking into it. I have to get back to them by 13th of June (Appeal). Already passed the 14days period.

Please let me know.

Thanks

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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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@Traffic Fairies I need to see the webcodes to assist you. Please also reply to my PM. And we need the whole of the PCN are there are issues!
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"