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Hello Experts,

I have received a PCN for contravention code 622 (Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath...), is it possible to make a representation for it. It was parked there just for couple of minutes to pick up an item and there was no parking space available around.

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Re: PCN for parking with one or more wheels on or over a footpath
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Quote from: dk007 on August 27, 2023, 07:03:12 pm
Hello Experts,

I have received a PCN for contravention code 622 (Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath...), is it possible to make a representation for it. It was parked there just for couple of minutes to pick up an item and there was no parking space available around.

Please upload the full PCN from all sides (Redact personal details like name and address), and any photos.

Also if you could provide the google maps link to the location where the alleged contravention happened.
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have uploaded the information.
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Looking at your GSV link, there is a wide pavement with paving slabs. I assume you parked partially off the carriageway on that pavement; correct ? If so, then you would appear to be bang-to-rights as parking off carriageway in London has been an offence since the 70s. 

Sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear, but it is reality, I'm afraid. Having said that, there are other things that can get PCNs cancelled, and our adminstrator, CP8759 is very skilled at finding them out. The only downside is that one normally has to take the council (or TfL), to London Tribunals as representations to councils/TfL are usually rejected in about 95% of cases.

So see what the others say, but don't miss any deadlines.

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The best way out of this would be proving a failure to consider.

Where did you pick up the item from?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Hi, I picked the item up from a plumbing shop nearby called Hounslow Heating.
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Would you be able to film a video illustrating the walking route from your car to the shop and back?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Hi,

Please find the video link for the route from the parked car to shop and back.



Let me know if anything else is needed.

Thanks
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OK so we've got something to work with, we just need a bit more evidence to put to the council.

So starting with the basics, what was the plumbing item?

Did you order it in advance and if so, do you have proof like an email receipt, or a text saying the item is ready for collection?

Do you have an invoice for the item?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Hi, Thanks for the reply. I think I bought some isolation valves, it was not collection order or so. I just went to the store and bought. I might have a receipt for the item but need to search for it, it might have been a cash payment of £10-£15.  Not sure how helpful this is.
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Did i have to make a representation with in 14 days of this PCN? or is it 28 days from that date?
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You have 28 days in total, but if your reps are received within the discount period and they refuse them, they'll re-offer the discount. They don't have to do so for reps received after the 14 days has expired.
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Sure, thanks
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Just to update that I have found  the invoice for that day. I think today would be the last day to make this representation, any thoughts on draft?
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Draft reps, don't use your own youtube link, use the one I will PM to you. Do not open the link, if the video count remains at zero views we can then prove that they never looked at it, and that is a failure to consider and thus a procedural impropriety.

Dear London Borough of Hounslow,

I would like to request cancellation of PCN NJ38706354 because at the material time I was loading goods into my car, and the shop is in close proximity to where I parked. To illustrate the point I have placed a video at (link) which I invite you to review.

In light of the above I am sure you will agree the PCN should be canceled. I attach a receipt from the shop.

Yours faithfully,
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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