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PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
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Council - London Borough of Redbridge
Road - Sunnymede Drive, Gants Hill

There is a restriction on vehicles entering this road during school hours due to a school nearby.

Looking at the pictures i have attached: https://imgur.com/a/YwphPcZ, the times you cannot use these roads are 8am-915am, 230pm-4pm Monday-Friday term time only. On the 12th July i entered this road at 2:40pm, the roads were completely empty with no school rush on surrounding roads.

The PCN was dated 26th July. Is there any advice or anything i could do to get out of this if possible please? Also, just to be clear, term time is not clearly stated.

Note: I have removed my PCN and Reg plate number for personal preferences, despite the guide saying to keep them in. If anyone does require this info. Please do let me know. Thanks.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2024, 04:53:26 pm by Sizzle89 »
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Quote from: Sizzle89 on August 21, 2024, 02:59:51 pm
Note for moderator: I'm trying to attach the photos but it says the upload folder is full.
Now that your post has been moved to the council forum (you had posted in the 'Speeding & other criminal offences' forum), please read this thread: READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL, Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases.

Update your post with the information it requests. It also advises you on how to use a third party site to upload images.
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Thanks. This has all been updated. Any help on this case would be much appreciated. Thanks
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Your 28 days have elapsed by three days. I would check the status - I cannot because you have chosen to redact the details. You could try and make out of time representations but I expect you may well be at the Charge Certificate stage.

Only you can check. If it still says £130 try and make representations and ask them to exercise their discretion.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2024, 07:54:15 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
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Quote from: Hippocrates on August 29, 2024, 05:08:11 pm
Your 28 days have elapsed by three days. I would check the status - I cannot because you have chosen to redact the details. You could try and make out of time representations but I expect you may well be at the Charge Certificate stage.

Only you can check. If it still says £130 try and make representations and ask them to exercise their discretion.

Thanks for the response. Originally i uploaded the first letter which was sent to the lease company from the council. I have now received the letter addressed to me dated 23/8. So i am still eligible to pay the £65. Is there anything i can do to appeal this with the info i have provided on this thread? What do you mean by 'out of time representations'?
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PM sent. I now understand the situation. With this council, I always advise making formal representations as late as possible as they are trigger-happy in terms of issuing charge certificates before they can. You have 28 days to do this from the date of service.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2024, 07:43:14 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
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The term time plate is an issue.

Please: go to make a representation and enter your details after clicking on all the tedious grounds which do not apply. Then screenshot what it says about the grounds. If it says choose one ground, that is another issue. Please post it up here.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088

« Last Edit: September 01, 2024, 10:48:00 pm by cp8759 »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
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@Sizzle89 please post the new PCN issued to you, and please don't redact the VRM or PCN number.

Also please confirm the name of the hire company.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on September 01, 2024, 01:10:35 pm
The term time plate is an issue.

Please: go to make a representation and enter your details after clicking on all the tedious grounds which do not apply. Then screenshot what it says about the grounds. If it says choose one ground, that is another issue. Please post it up here.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-redbridge-31j-contravention-(yellow-box)/msg34088/#msg34088



Thanks for your help on this. I have followed the steps you have told me to and my screenshot is the same as yours:


What should i do? I have a day left until the 14 days on my new pcn is reached.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2024, 04:43:42 pm by Sizzle89 »
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Quote from: cp8759 on September 01, 2024, 10:49:20 pm
@Sizzle89 please post the new PCN issued to you, and please don't redact the VRM or PCN number.

Also please confirm the name of the hire company.

Replied via pm mate
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The traffic order is The Redbridge (Prescribed Routes) (School Streets) (No.1) (Amendment No. 3) Order 2023, I can't see any issues with it.

What's the length of the lease? Is it a personal lease or is it through an employer?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
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Quote from: cp8759 on September 05, 2024, 09:03:42 pm
The traffic order is The Redbridge (Prescribed Routes) (School Streets) (No.1) (Amendment No. 3) Order 2023, I can't see any issues with it.

What's the length of the lease? Is it a personal lease or is it through an employer?


36 months. Through employer. Any further suggestions please?
« Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 07:51:42 pm by Sizzle89 »
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I would make reps. as late as possible as:

1. They will reoffer the discount.

2. They are trigger-happy with sending out charge certificates.

28 days from the date of service of the PCN.

The term time plate is the main issue at this stage.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN - Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - London Borough of Redbridge
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Dear Redbridge

Ref:  PCN    VRM   

I make this formal representation:

The contravention did not occur as the sign referring to term time is proscribed. As per school parking restrictions, how is a driver expected to know the times of any term time in advance?

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours

Reg. keeper

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23rd September is the deadline so please please do not send it now!
« Last Edit: September 07, 2024, 09:07:31 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Quote from: Hippocrates on September 07, 2024, 08:47:37 pm
Dear Redbridge

Ref:  PCN    VRM   

I make this formal representation:

The contravention did not occur as the sign referring to term time is proscribed. As per school parking restrictions, how is a driver expected to know the times of any term time in advance?

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours

Reg. keeper

***

23rd September is the deadline so please please do not send it now!


They have responded and rejected the appeal.

https://imgur.com/a/GQbklpT
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