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PCN No.: FR63206289
VRM: EF17AFV
Date of Notice 14/08/2024

I received a PCN for driving in a bus lane on Whipps Cross Road E11, coming up to the Green Man Interchange. Incident was on 8/8, received the PCN on 14/8. Much like the previous cases on this forum regarding the same section of the road (linked below): no 'end of bus lane' sign was clearly apparent to me nor is one featured in their evidence, the road markings aren't exactly well-maintained, and I only switched lanes because I was trying to get in lane in good time for the large roundabout up ahead. There was no bus near me but I made sure to avoid the bus stop markings anyway.

Have provided all my evidence below. Have I got a chance to win an appeal against this?

Please ask me if anything is unclear.

PCN front page and associated images/video: https://imgur.com/a/t0u8HG9

Google maps location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Jkqf1p3v9B7y1TGKA

Posts in this forum regarding PCNs issued at the same spot:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/waltham-forest-whipps-cross-road-e11-bus-lane-contravention/
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/whipps-cross-road-bus-lane-fine/

Extra fuel for the fire: https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/19525536.council-rakes-1m-fines-single-east-london-bus-lane/

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Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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Hopefully, Hippocrates will be on shortly, as he has developed a rock-solid representation.

Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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Just use my draft on the other thread please to get the ball rolling.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/whipps-cross-road-bus-lane-fine/msg33377/#msg33377

They will reject but they never turn up at the Tribunal these days so the evidence will in all probability be inadmissible.  Happy to stay with you on the journey.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2024, 07:51:31 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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Just use my draft on the other thread please to get the ball rolling.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/whipps-cross-road-bus-lane-fine/msg33377/#msg33377

They will reject but they never turn up at the Tribunal these days so the evidence will in all probability be inadmissible.  Happy to stay with you on the journey.

Thank you, I'll submit this as my initial appeal.

What's the worst case scenario if I go through with all this and still lose - pay the full £130?

Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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If I lose this at the Tribunal, I will pay half!  Trust me and look at the cases won on the other thread. PM sent.

I am true to my word.  I won a bus lane case today v Hammersmith and Fulham and they did not turn up.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/hammersmith-and-fulham-being-in-a-bus-lane-shepherds-bush-rd-southbound-offside-/msg33945/#msg33945
« Last Edit: August 20, 2024, 09:43:26 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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Appeal sent. Will keep you posted on their response.

Your hard work is evident all over this forum! Thank you for your quick responses and support here.

Is there a general ETA on these kind of things going to tribunal? Would a tribunal take place somewhere within Waltham Forest?

Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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Appeal sent. Will keep you posted on their response.

Your hard work is evident all over this forum! Thank you for your quick responses and support here.

Is there a general ETA on these kind of things going to tribunal? Would a tribunal take place somewhere within Waltham Forest?
London Tribunals is based in central London where hearings in person take place, but most hearings are by telephone these days. They are now somewhat behind the times, because the tribunal for England and Wales excluding London, the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, now offers video hearings.
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Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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I trust you tweaked the mitigating circumstances?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
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Responded in PM but yes, I did.

Re: PCN Code 34 Bus Lane, Whipps Cross Road E11 - Waltham Forest Council
« Reply #9 on: »
Thanks.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r