Author Topic: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill  (Read 665 times)

0 Members and 44 Guests are viewing this topic.

Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« on: »
Good Afternoon All,

I've recently received a PCN for "Failing to give way to oncoming vehicles" at Salters Hill and was wondering if it some of the experts here would mind weighing in as I believe I am not at fault. I have provided details of the PCN below.

I was travelling in a convoy behind a silver car and a large white van. The van blocked the view through the tunnel. By the time it cleared, I was already committed to the narrow sectio and it was too late to brake. I clear the section just as the car opposite arrives causing minimal slow down and the car opposite does not even have to stop.

Based of other posts I have seen on this forum for this junction I've decided to fight the PCN with these arguments and would greatly appreciate the opinons of the experts:

Sightlines: The "blind summit" combined with the white van meant the oncoming car was invisible at the decision point and I only became aware of its presence once I was committed.

Signage: The "Give Priority" sign lacks a distance plate, so I am arguing the restriction applies only to the arch itself (which I cleared).

Camera Distortion: The CCTV uses a telephoto lens, compressing the depth of field and making the oncoming car look much closer/more "imminent" than it actually was.

 Procedural Impropriety: The PCN wording conflates the statutory periods. It states the 28-day period for the increased charge begins with the "date of notice" and in small print on the other side it states date of service.

I have attatched a copy of the PCN, a link to the video of the incident and the PCN number below.

VIDEO LINK: https://pcnevidence.lambeth.gov.uk/pcnonline/videocache/fb298ff1-371c-47f5-8e9b-96c15c502f09.mp4
MIRROR IN CASE INACCESSIBLE: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13lCO50tJ6h7zuHQTHfEw2JHR1LeGxFi-/view?usp=sharing
SCAN OF LETTER: https://drive.google.com/file/d/19BUqfMbZljiV7ZeBS3RW8ibfZ1Mj1uX_/view?usp=drivesdk
PCN NUMBER:
MY PLATE: BD19 HMV

Many Thanks,

Sam

Share on Bluesky Share on Facebook


Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #1 on: »
Sightlines: What "blind summit"? And if the white van was hampering visibility, perhaps you were too close?

Signage: No, it applies to the give-way line.

Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #2 on: »
Fair point on the driving definetly not one of my finest moments should've held back to see if the coast was clear and taken the narrow section a little slower.

I'm mostly going off what I've seen off other threads on this specific give way camera when I mention the blind summit and the signage lacking the required detail I'm basing it off points made by other members of the forum. Such as this: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lambeth-salters-hill-failing-to-give-way-37-j-280424/msg22309/#msg22309


Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #3 on: »
Rule 8 folks. Follow the rules or play elsewhere.
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #4 on: »
Website issues. Payment details/dates all wrong and threatening.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Like Like x 1 View List

Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #5 on: »
The contravention is bang to right so Hippo is your hope.
Like Like x 1 View List

Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #6 on: »
@Skorenberg Please: the whole PCN before I do a draft.


For starters:

First seen at Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:21

Issued at Sun, 30 Nov 2025 11:21

Served by Post

The amount outstanding on the Charge Notice will increase to £160.00. Please pay £80.00 now.

Also:

The PCN is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased

charge may be payable.

Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning

with the date of the notice;
« Last Edit: December 16, 2025, 11:53:42 am by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Love Love x 1 View List

Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #7 on: »
Thank you so much for the help mate. That seems like good news. Here's the entire PCN I received as requested: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1272N96xnngyGvXuwWHUJuwtF8oZY5ZhI/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: Give Way Violation PCN at Salter’s Hill
« Reply #8 on: »
I would keep an eye on their website for the time being, crucially 14 days from the date of the PCN. Don't do anything at all at present re making a representation.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Like Like x 1 View List