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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Will do.

So now, What should I say in my formal challenge ? any specific points I should mention?

Also, as I will be travelling, can you provide me with the response to the EN so I can prepare it?

Best,
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Quote from: faqasim on December 06, 2024, 12:59:27 pm
Will do.

So now, What should I say in my formal challenge ? any specific points I should mention?

Also, as I will be travelling, can you provide me with the response to the EN so I can prepare it?

Best,

This but obviously adding your details and check the website grounds and do your own screenshot:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-bus-lane-harrow-northolt-rd-jct-alexandra-ave/msg13248/#msg13248

But, how will you receive the EN?
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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@faqasim the CCTV camera is a ZenGrab LaneWatch Mk2, I've forwarded you the FOI response but it isn't particularly useful at this stage.

As @Hippocrates says the key issue here is whether they can prove that it is approved.

What arrangements are you making for your post? As the registered keeper of a vehicle you have certain responsibilities and if you're going to be away for months, you need to put arrangements in place or you run a massive risk.

For instance if someone clones your number plate and gets a couple of speeding tickets, by the time you get home you could be facing 12 points and a totting ban for failing to respond even though you've done absolutely nothing wrong.

So, can you get a friend, family member or neighbour to keep an eye on your post?

Most council website will also give you the PCN status so you could just check the council website periodically, but as you have very unhelpfully redacted all the PCN details (contrary to the Read Me First guidance at https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/ ) we can't check.
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #18 on: »
Hello CP8759,

Thanks for the insight, I will arrange for my post to be checked, by a friend, however, I am just travelling for two weeks, so even if EN arrived, I would have 28 days to act on it, correct?


Additionally, please find the PCN attached on here. it just says on hold.

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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Please PM me the dates you are away. I also want to spend more time on this case as I did with the other one. They MUST attend any hearing or the game is over.

28 days from date of service. Two working days not including weekends. There may well be problems with it too in terms of wording.

If you really wish me to assist, I must have all the details.

Have you read  2240103393?
« Last Edit: December 06, 2024, 07:03:19 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
« Reply #20 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 06, 2024, 05:45:22 pm
Quote from: faqasim on December 06, 2024, 12:59:27 pm
Will do.

So now, What should I say in my formal challenge ? any specific points I should mention?

Also, as I will be travelling, can you provide me with the response to the EN so I can prepare it?

Best,

This but obviously adding your details and check the website grounds and do your own screenshot:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-bus-lane-harrow-northolt-rd-jct-alexandra-ave/msg13248/#msg13248

But, how will you receive the EN?


Can you please elaborate what do you mean by "the website grounds" ?
I reviewed the tribunals report which I could find on the same issue, and I have two arguments, but I also have the anti-argument.

1. The signage is ambiguous, and is not clear where the bus lane starts, and it gives the impression it starts after the junction, especially with the small size of the bus lane, however, I have seen this argument refused on few tribunals. So I am not sure if it would be a good idea to include this.

2. The previous bus lane was Mon-Friday operated, while this small chunk is 24/7. I have read an accepted appeal based on this point, however, they installed further sign after that appeal. The new sign explains the time "at all times", but still very close to the junction, so I am not sure if this is considered good ground?

3. The CCTV type approval, I have seen few tribunals where this was a ground for successful appeal, however, I read in one of the tribunal's notes, that a certificate was provided to the tribunal, however it was dated after the contravention in question, so it wasn't accepted by the tribunal. However, the same certificate can be provided now? and can be accepted as grounds to refuse the appeal? Am I thinking correctly? If so, why later appeals were also successful using the same argument? Did the council fail to deliver the certificate which was already offered in previous tribunal ? or is it because they didn't show up? So it would be a gamble, if they show up and provided the certificate, this ground will not be successful? correct?
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 06, 2024, 06:57:20 pm
Please PM me the dates you are away. I also want to spend more time on this case as I did with the other one. They MUST attend any hearing or the game is over.

28 days from date of service. Two working days not including weekends. There may well be problems with it too in terms of wording.

If you really wish me to assist, I must have all the details.

Have you read  2240103393?


Thank you, I really appreciate your support.
I will send you all the details in PM.
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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That's ok. I appreciate that you have to trust a complete stranger! But, we are all in this fight together. You have my e mail address?

PM me a phone number as this form of communication is  not helpful. You ask pertinent questions but a call would sort it out faster.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2024, 07:25:33 pm by Hippocrates »
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Quote from: faqasim on December 06, 2024, 06:45:08 pm
I will arrange for my post to be checked, by a friend, however, I am just travelling for two weeks, so even if EN arrived, I would have 28 days to act on it, correct?
@faqasim well yes that's correct, but you said earlier that you'd be travelling for a couple of months, now it's a couple of weeks? If you're back after two weeks then you don't really need to put any arrangements in place.

Anyway as Hippocrates has offered to help I recommend you take up his offer of assistance, he's a veteran of London bus lane cases and will have no difficulty in sorting this out for you.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: SPLIT FROM HIJACKED THREAD Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Hello Hippocrates and cp8759,

I still didn't receive an enforcement notice, is that normal?
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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@faqasim someone tried to hijack this thread, I have removed their posts from here. The council has six months from the date of issue of the PCN to serve an enforcement notice, so the last day is 20 May 2025.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2025, 10:06:06 pm by cp8759 »
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Hello cp8759, Thank you. I appreciate it. Actually I received it yesterday. I will upload it here now.
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Hello Hippocrates,

I received the enforcement notice, I sent it to you privately, please let me know if you received it.
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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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please find attached. Looking forward to hearing from you.

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Re: PCN Bus Lane - Harrow - Northolt RD JCT Alexandra Ave
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Well the council relies on CCTV evidence, so I made a little video of my own to show that the council website is completely inaccurate and misleading:



Obviously we don't want to show our hand early, @faqasim for now just make a representation as follows:

Dear London Borough of Harrow,

There  there was no breach of an order or regulations of the type described in section 4(2) of the London Local Authorities Act 1996.

Yours faithfully,


Send this online and take a screenshot of the confirmation page.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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