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Dear all
I would really appreciate any advice or support you can offer. I have recently received two PCN 53j fines for entering a pedestrian street, but I had unavoidable reasons for doing so.

My 9 year old son has additional needs and attends a school located in a restricted school street.  This school isn't local to us.  The local authority provides transport for my son.  Lately, he has been highly dysregulated and has even faced suspensions.  When he experiences a meltdown, the school struggles to manage and calls us at short notice to collect him immediately.

Due to these challenges, the school requested that we accompany him on a trip, which meant we had to drive into the restricted street to park near the school.  He has a blue badge, and given his needs, parking further away was not a realistic option.

Two weeks later, he had parents evening at the school, and once again, we had no choice but to enter the restricted street to park as close as possible.

I appealed both PCNs, explaining the circumstances, but my appeal was rejected. I find this incredibly unfair. Parents with children with additional needs do not choose these challenges, and while we do our best to follow the rules, sometimes we simply have no other option.  Dragging an already dysregulated child to another street is not feasible.

If there is anything I can do to challenge this further, I would be truly grateful for your guidance.

Thanking you in advance for any advice or support.

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For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here all sides of the 1st PCN (only redact yr name & address) and the 1st page of the remaining PCN,
any Council photos/ video,
copies of yr reps and of the Council replies,
and
a GSV link to the location.

Dear all
I would really appreciate any advice or support you can offer. I have recently received two PCN 53j fines for entering a pedestrian street, but I had unavoidable reasons for doing so.

My 9 year old son has additional needs and attends a school located in a restricted school street.  This school isn't local to us.  The local authority provides transport for my son.  Lately, he has been highly dysregulated and has even faced suspensions.  When he experiences a meltdown, the school struggles to manage and calls us at short notice to collect him immediately.

Due to these challenges, the school requested that we accompany him on a trip, which meant we had to drive into the restricted street to park near the school.  He has a blue badge, and given his needs, parking further away was not a realistic option.

Two weeks later, he had parents evening at the school, and once again, we had no choice but to enter the restricted street to park as close as possible.

I appealed both PCNs, explaining the circumstances, but my appeal was rejected. I find this incredibly unfair. Parents with children with additional needs do not choose these challenges, and while we do our best to follow the rules, sometimes we simply have no other option.  Dragging an already dysregulated child to another street is not feasible.

If there is anything I can do to challenge this further, I would be truly grateful for your guidance.

Thanking you in advance for any advice or support.



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I have attached the remaining documents.  Sorry am not great with technology









« Last Edit: March 15, 2025, 01:53:13 pm by habibm »

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Re your PM: So far, so good.

For meaningful advice you now need to post up
here
all sides of the 1st PCN (only redact yr name & address) and the 1st page of the second PCNs,
copies ofany Council photos/ video,
and
of what you wrote to the Council and the rest of the rejection..
« Last Edit: March 15, 2025, 11:36:32 am by John U.K. »

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I have added the remaining documents.  Thank you 😊

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@habibm

I have become aware of your PM (which I have taken the liberty of copying below) but I suspect too late to give advice for today. All I can suggest is that
1) You ask the school to hold on to the pupil until the School Zone restriction ends.(What time is this - you haven't said so far.)
 OR
2)  ask the school to drive him to meet you at the edge of the zone.
In any case, you need to have an urgent meeting with the head at the school to discuss a way forward..
and possibly your owb local ward councillor(s).

Have you had rejections of all your reps for each PCN so far?

-------

To our experts,

I received the following plea as a PM today, and confess to being somewhat out of my depth in responding to a no doubt unforeseen consequence of introducing a school zone. Is this emergency action by the OP covered by any sort of exemption or is it just mitigation?

Can anyone give further advice, please.


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2:51pm I am really desperate. The school have just called me again to come and pick my son because he is dysregulated. The pedestrian zone restriction time has started. What do I do? I can’t park too far away.
Am scared of getting another ticket as I won’t be able to afford them. Do I stand any chance of winning an appeal on my PCN?

Thank you

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If your son can walk you need to park outside the school street. These streets aren't usually very long. If there are no pay bays you can challenge tickets on assisted boarding/alighting.

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OP, from what I can make out from Google Street maps, the school concerned is accessed from Wantz Road. It also appears to be an Academy.

Whereas, in Alibon Road (between Hunters Hall Road and Wantz) there is access to a B&D school - Hunters Hall primary.

Wantz (and therefore your child's school) can be accessed other than along Alibon Road.

Before you go too far with accumulating additional PCNs, we need to be clear that in order to access your child's school you must enter the Schools Street zone. Not just that it's more convenient, but that you must in order to access the school.

Hunters Hall Primary School

SS11

Alibon Rd - between Hunters Hall Road  and Wantz Road


Your child's school is not listed as being within B&D's School Streets scheme.

https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/school-streets/where-are-school-streets

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Whereas, in Alibon Road (between Hunters Hall Road and Wantz) there is access to a B&D school - Hunters Hall primary.

This is the school concerned in the OP's reps for one of the PCNs.

A blue badge is an exemption but it has to be applied for so I'd say their rejection is wrong in not saying that and in considering discretion.

https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/school-streets/school-street-exemptions

https://www.lbbd.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-08/10082023_Exemption%20Policy%20update_website.pdf

Exemption Four – Blue Badge Holders
Blue Badge holders that require access to a property inside a School Street (including those dropping
off or collecting from the school) during the hours of operation can apply for an exemption.
Further Notes on Exemption Four
• Schools may be required to confirm the status of parents or students who are included in an
exemption application
• If you fail to provide the correct proof/supporting evidence with your application, it will be rejected
• All other applications will be considered on a case-by-case basis
« Last Edit: March 17, 2025, 05:43:37 pm by stamfordman »

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Thanks. It is rather buried considering how many schools there are both in Alibon and the vicinity.

But IMO it's essential to get these details within posts. So OP, to be clear your child attends Hunters Hall Primary School?

From their Parent and Carers' booklet:

We are part of a safer school streets parking area so please
be aware that turning into Rockwell Road and Alibon Road
between 8:00am and 9:15am and again between 2:45pm
and 4:00pm is not permitted. Fines are issued by the local
authority.


IMO, as regards the PCNs we can see I think you need to shorten your narrative so that only the essentials are presented. For example, if you have been requested to attend a Parents' evening by the school then you need to present something from them regarding why you would need to enter the zone at what was only 7 minutes before the restrictions ended. Similarly for the morning. I think any appeal would be more focused as a result.

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If the OP takes the PCNs to the tribunal there are four possibilities.

1. B&D doesn't contest - a reasonable chance if the appeal is focused and includes their failure to say an exemption is available.
2. The tribunal allows the appeals - very unlikely as can't use mitigation, assuming all is OK with traffic order. There may be something though in the rejection as per 1.
3. The tribunal just refuses the appeals.
4. The tribunal refuses but the adjudicator makes a recommendation to B&D to cancel them - a reasonable chance.

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Thanks. It is rather buried considering how many schools there are both in Alibon and the vicinity.

But IMO it's essential to get these details within posts. So OP, to be clear your child attends Hunters Hall Primary School?


I thank you all for the replies. Yes my son attends Hunter Hall primary school.  It is on Alibon road and restriction is on the whole road. 

And Yes wantz road is not too far but it’s hard to find parking nearby.  The main issue is, when he is dysregulated, my son can’t control his emotions. He becomes distressed and anxious. He would lash out at anyone near him and would refuse to walk. So I have to be as close to where he is as possible.
I never drive to the school because local authority provides his transport.  I don’t live near this area. It’s only become an issue recently but it seems to be an ongoing one.
Could someone please help me to kindly draft the more focused appeal. I don’t want to mess up this chance.
I am ever so grateful for all your time and effort.

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OP, without wishing to appear callous, far from it, you need to deal with each PCN on its own facts pl. A generic 'your son has problems' won't win the day as the responses from the authority show.

PCN ****9314 13 Feb.
I don't know why you needed to enter the zone 7 minutes before the restriction ended (15.53 and 16.00 respectively) to attend a Parents' Evening. You'll need to explain in more detail pl.



PCN  *****4290 26 Feb.
On ***, I was asked (in writing?) by the school to accompany my son on a school trip which had been organised by them. On normal school days he is collected from our house by transport organised by (presumably) Barking and Dagenham council. However, I am not allowed to travel with him and therefore the only way that I could meet the school's request was to take him to school myself on that day. Is this where we start for this PCN??

You also have another PCN, dated March, within this thread.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2025, 10:39:52 am by H C Andersen »

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Hi
Thank you for the reply. For the parents evening, i didn’t even check the time.  I thought the restrictions had ceased. I could have waited another 7 minutes. I had a long day at work. I had spent the whole week attending meetings with different professionals due to my son’s challenging behaviour. I was just so tired.

Perhaps I will have to find some money and pay that one. I will appeal the the second PCN and use your guide and make it more focused.

I don’t have another PCN. It’s just those 2.

I have also applied for the exemption.  Will keep you posted of any updates

Thank you again
« Last Edit: March 18, 2025, 04:18:03 pm by habibm »

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I by chance stumbled across this from
https://www.havering.gov.uk/downloads/file/96/policy-for-enforcing-or-cancelling-a-pcn


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MC47 – Where the motorist enters a School Street Zone
MAY ACCEPT REPRESENTATIONS
 Where the motorists holds a valid School Streets Access
Permit
Where the School required a motorist without a permit to
attend the School during the restricted hours (Letter from
School required to support this).

 Is an Emergency Service or Public Service Vehicle.
 Has a valid Health & Homecare Permit
 Hackney Carriage, School Transport Vehicle, Dial a Ride
and other specialist transport services.
 Marked Delivery vans eg Royal Mail, UPS, DPD.
MAY REJECT REPRESENTATIONS
 In all other circumstances

N.B. This is from the L.B. of Havering. Try as I might, I cannot find a similar policy document for the L.B. of Barking & Dagenham, but they should have one.

It might be worth making a passing reference to this in any reps.