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I make these two collateral challenges against the said PCN in terms of its invalidity:

1. It states: "...we may disregard any such representations which are received after the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice of this penalty charge notice." This is wholly wrong and flies in the face of the law.

2. It is also missing mandatory information  as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable.

Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable” adds to the lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing information. So, it follows that it cannot possibly be interpreted disjunctively.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN. Should you not agree to do so, I will take the matter to the London Tribunals in the firm belief that any adjudicator would regard those statements to nullify the PCN.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2025, 05:29:23 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Thank You.

I've got this PDF written up and stored and ready to go.

Enfields website challenge options are plentiful  :D ;D , so just checking that the Reps need to be sent under "None of the above" and "any other reason" ??




Does it list the statutory grounds?
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

it gives Parking options and a search box along with these under PCN Wrongly/unfairly issued:

PCN wrongly / unfairly issued
Reasons where it may appear that the PCN was issued unfairly or incorrectly.

Select a reason:
I only stopped for a few minutes 
I was not at the location on the day 
I was not served the PCN 
I was not the driver 
I was not the owner / keeper of the vehicle 
I was only a few minutes late back to my vehicle 
I was unaware of the rules 
My vehicle was not outside the bay 
The vehicle was on hire to someone else 
There was nowhere else to park 
Other
Other reasons we have received that do not fall into one of the above categories.

Select a reason:
A friend / family member recently passed away 
I didn't see any signs or lines 
I was picking up / dropping off a passenger 
My vehicle is a taxi 
The owner of the vehicle has passed away 
None of the above
If none of the above reasons apply, and you wish to challenge your PCN, please select below:

Select a reason:
Any other reason

Tried putting "Statutory Grounds" in the search box but nothing pop's.

Theres an option in the "parking" section & "Emergency beyond Drivers control" which reads "My vehicle was Cloned"  ;D not seen this many pit falls since Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom!!
« Last Edit: November 30, 2025, 02:50:38 pm by Bella54 »

Good work. I'll take a look later as I have most of the week off. Please don't send it yet.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

No probs

we've learnt not to knee jerk a reaction these days or follow a boulder rolling down a slippery slope  ;D 

It's interesting how these PCN's are evolving into word twister traps at every given stage  ::) and we're most grateful for all the help given here on FTLA & old Pepipoo too.



Good work. I'll take a look later as I have most of the week off. Please don't send it yet.

Morning

Is there any update on when this needs to be sent over please?

We're Looking to work on it tomorrow, just to get it off our desk.   :)

Do my Reps need to be sent within 28 days of 21st November?

Just thinking about the Xmas post service if the reps cant be sent on the website......or is it 14 days? or does the 14 days only refer to paying the discounted rate on the PCN?


FOr postal PCNs, it is normal for councils to re-offer the discount when rejecting reps received within the 14 day discount period. The exception to this is Havering who never re-offer the discount, and have now made a rod for their own back, because if no discount is re-offered, it is then a total no-brainer to take them to adjudication, which gives them a load of hassle in preparing for the adjudication and paying the adjudication fee.


FOr postal PCNs, it is normal for councils to re-offer the discount when rejecting reps received within the 14 day discount period. The exception to this is Havering who never re-offer the discount, and have now made a rod for their own back, because if no discount is re-offered, it is then a total no-brainer to take them to adjudication, which gives them a load of hassle in preparing for the adjudication and paying the adjudication fee.

Thank you Incandescent.

We've held off posting the reps at Hippocrates request in posts #16, #17 & #18

we're not really concerned with the discounted rate being offered as the PCN could be a double wammy.

Just weren't sure about which of the options on Enfields Appeal site we should select to put the reps in to and the timeline/end date to send the Reps either on the website or by post if needed
« Last Edit: December 08, 2025, 11:39:33 pm by Bella54 »

Website. Contravention did  not occur.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Website. Contravention did  not occur.

There's not this as an option to select on Enfield website, Just 1000 max word box and the Reps extends the word count.

I can load a copy of the PDF Reps as supporting evidence and enter into the word box

"Contravention Did Not Occur, See full attached Representation Appeal Letter"

Will this suffice?

and what is the cut off date for these Reps to be sent Please and could they also be sent by post?

pdf. today. online. screenshot the pages before you send please.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Morning.

Can't get into the website today to post the Reps.

just saying PCN cant be found

Is there any other way they can be sent????

Found they're email address and telephone number so gave them a quick call and are penning an email to them now, how does this sound??

"Dear Sir's,

Please find see attached Representation in relation to the above PCN that's been issued.

We have been unable to post this on your website as we have found it difficult to navigate due to disability issues and there have been technical obstacles which state that the PCN cannot be found.

The site also doesn't offer the option to submit the Representation under Statutory Grounds, non does it offer "contravention did not occur" and only has a word count box of 1000 as its maximum load.

On telephoning this morning, we were advised by Mrs XXXXX, to email the PCN directly, and we have been informed that we should detail the difficulties, as the current website Enfield Council use's its via a third party.

Please address these issues and acknowledge receipt of the Representation Letter of Appeal attached here.
 
Yours Sincerely"