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Hi all

I've recieved a PCN for stopping briefly in the yellow box outside meantime brewery, and the PCN is £160, reduced to £80, which is a little steep.

Grounds for appeal would be that there was slow moving traffic continuously over it, no additional signage, but *critically* it appears a yellow box can only be legally on a road without a junction in the following circs: 'on the length of road adjacent to the vehicular entrance to the premises of a fire, police, or ambulance station'. This is a small box is outside Meantime brewery, and I would have thought should be a KEEP CLEAR rather than a fined yellow box. Would I be correct in thinking that? Or should I bite the bullet and pay>

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Thanks all!

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Please can you confirm the vehicle registration so we can review the video.

Thanks - video now reviewed.  Agree that I don't think there's anything in there that would save you.

The non-compliance of the box is a strong argument from my perspective, but I had a look on London Tribunals to see if there had been any previous success on those grounds.  The name of the location is such that it's not straightforward to get many hits, but this one did come up.  Not sure I fully understand the logic.


Case Details
Case reference   2250514995
Appellant   Michael Ingram
Authority   Royal Borough of Greenwich
VRM   EO17OEP
PCN Details
PCN   GR24083391
Contravention date   09 Sep 2025
Contravention time   07:31:00
Contravention location   Blackwall Ln / o/s Meantime Brewery
Penalty amount   GBP 160.00
Contravention   Entering and stopping in a box junction
Referral date   -
Decision Date   20 Feb 2026
Adjudicator   Andrew Harman
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   
The appellant attended the hearing of this appeal today on the Microsoft Teams video conferencing platform. The council did not attend the hearing, it not being expected to do so.

The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this vehicle, at Blackwall Lane, outside Meantime Brewery, entered and stopped in a box junction when prohibited.

I reserved my decision.

The appellant contends that this box is not marked in compliance with the statutory requirements as identified in his letter of 25 January 2026, supported by the evidence he provides.

I have considered what is said.

Although the entrance to the Meantime Brewery is, as the appellant says, locked, gated, and without public access, a 'road', on the decided cases, is defined as extending from building line to building line. This vehicular entrance to the brewery, in my view, meets that requirement, it I note being on/at Telcon Road, albeit that pubic access is controlled. I thus find that this box is marked at the junction of two roads, and I am satisfied that this contravention occurred.

The appeal is refused.

This seems like a very harsh interpretation, as the 'telcon road' is separate on google maps, and this is just more 'telcon road' which is unattached, is gated off and appears as a builders yard

in this case that StamfordMan linked above they didn't provide evidence: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/greenwich-31j-stopping-in-yellow-box-blakwall-lane/

I guess I'll carry on with the appeal that it's not a legal junction and hope for a friendlier judge

I think it's a strong argument but would be the first to admit an adjudicator will know more about the law than me.

The way the decision is worded, however, I do wonder if that individual argued wrongly about what the issue is.  The building line isn't really relevant how I see it.  The issue is that the box junction has to be situated at a junction of two roads.  Is Telcon Road a road in the legal sense if it's blocked off to the public at the point it meets Blackwell Lane?

I can find at least one other case in another location where this argument has been successful.

Mr Harman needs to be pensioned off, his argument is totally ridiculous.