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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
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Quote from: Jamran on October 09, 2024, 11:45:10 pm
Additionally, the only CPZ sign was all the way in Bow which could’ve been obscured by a bus or lorry.
Exaggerating does you no favours.
The sign you are talking about is not in Bow at all but Stratford High Street.

I personally know of others; one just around the corner from the incident, in Forest Lane, others in Water Lane, Romford Rd and just to the North of you in Leytonstone Road.
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Quote from: Neil B on October 10, 2024, 04:06:01 am
Quote from: Jamran on October 09, 2024, 11:45:10 pm
Additionally, the only CPZ sign was all the way in Bow which could’ve been obscured by a bus or lorry.
Exaggerating does you no favours.
The sign you are talking about is not in Bow at all but Stratford High Street.

I personally know of others; one just around the corner from the incident, in Forest Lane, others in Water Lane, Romford Rd and just to the North of you in Leytonstone Road.

I believe the OP came via Stratford High Street where signage is a long way from where parked. But the primary ground here will be the defective signage that does not separate out event day scope.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2024, 12:01:10 pm by stamfordman »
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Quote from: Neil B on October 10, 2024, 04:06:01 am
Quote from: Jamran on October 09, 2024, 11:45:10 pm
Additionally, the only CPZ sign was all the way in Bow which could’ve been obscured by a bus or lorry.
Exaggerating does you no favours.
The sign you are talking about is not in Bow at all but Stratford High Street.

I personally know of others; one just around the corner from the incident, in Forest Lane, others in Water Lane, Romford Rd and just to the North of you in Leytonstone Road.

I wasn’t exaggerating. If you had read earlier posts you’d know that on the route I travelled, the only CPZ signage was the one after Bow Flyover.
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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #33 on: »
The regs provide that this form of sign may be varied using a 'permitted expression'.

In this case:
The expressions “Match”, “match”, “Event”, “event”, “Market”, “market”, “Day”, “day”, “On”, “on”, any of those expressions in the plural or the expression “Next” or that expression without a capital letter may be used with any of the expressions permitted by paragraph 1, 2, 3 or 4 as appropriate.

1.—(1) A reference to a time, or to times, of the day may be shown as, or varied to, the following—

(a)a period of time expressed as “7.30 – 9.00 am”, “7 - 9 am”, “7.30 am – 6 pm”, “4 – 7 pm”, “4.00 – 6.30 pm”, “8 pm – 6 am”, “8 pm – 6 am next day” or any other time period and which may include the expression “Midnight”, “M’night”, “Midday” or “Noon” ;

I cannot find any fault with the sign itself.

OP, your choice. IMO, on the evidence so far you do not have a strong case, you would be hoping that the authority could not present evidence to the standard required by the adjudicator on the day that 'event day' notifications were present on the signs you passed.

Alternatively, that they commit a procedural impropriety, again to the standard required by your adjudicator.
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An adjudicator found this sign is not good enough and I agree. If they want to apply event days to Sunday this misleads as it can easily be seen as qualifying Mon-Sat, and the reliance on a CPZ sign alone with no clue at the location about events compounds this.

« Last Edit: October 10, 2024, 10:52:52 pm by stamfordman »
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Agree.

'An adjudicator found..'.

Hence why I refer to the 'adjudicator on the day'.

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« Reply #36 on: »
So your advice is to give up?

As you know cases are won with preparation - can you honestly say Newham's sign conveys information adequately when compared with Islington's?

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Ironic that 'Additional controls' is not wording permitted under the regs' variations despite making the restriction clearer!

OP, IMO you cannot say to the council 'you must set out the wording as per this example' because there's no such requirement. But what you could and I believe should say is that you were confused by the wording used because you read this as meaning that the times 8am-9pm were extended times which applied only to those days specified above i.e. Mon-Sat. You believe such an interpretation was perfectly reasonable. You've attached an example of how another London council words its traffic signs which makes its meaning totally clear.


For others, GSV shows that the wording 'Event days' etc. is word-for-word used on the CPZ signs and again sits below Mon-Sat. I wonder how many people are caught out on SYL on 'event days' which occur on Sundays?
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Quote from: H C Andersen on October 11, 2024, 01:11:07 pm
OP, IMO you cannot say to the council 'you must set out the wording as per this example' because there's no such requirement. But what you could and I believe should say is that you were confused by the wording used because you read this as meaning that the times 8am-9pm were extended times which applied only to those days specified above i.e. Mon-Sat. You believe such an interpretation was perfectly reasonable. You've attached an example of how another London council words its traffic signs which makes its meaning totally clear.


For others, GSV shows that the wording 'Event days' etc. is word-for-word used on the CPZ signs and again sits below Mon-Sat. I wonder how many people are caught out on SYL on 'event days' which occur on Sundays?

What you suggest is what we are talking about...

You are right that the CPZ entry signs are also deficient and of course they don't control the parking bays, but they are the only link with the bay conditions. The adjudicated case I posted also says this.
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[1] Is this the First ever instance OP has parked in Newham in an Event Day relevant Bay? and if NOT, how does OP usually receive notification of an Event Day in Newham?
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Quote from: regis on October 14, 2024, 02:53:52 am
[1] Is this the First ever instance OP has parked in Newham in an Event Day relevant Bay? and if NOT, how does OP usually receive notification of an Event Day in Newham?

Yes it is. I am not a resident of the borough.
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@stamfordman could you please assist in the appeal? Running out of time I think
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Yes will do - NTO is 1 Oct so will do by Friday.
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Quote from: Jamran on October 23, 2024, 03:15:26 pm
@stamfordman could you please assist in the appeal? Running out of time I think

I believe you have until 31 October 2024 by 23:59 PM to submit your formal representations online. Otherwise submitted by letter 1st Class recorded delivery on 29 October 2024 by its collection time, from a postbox / post office, by Royal Mail Postie.

Have you uploaded the original PCN and the Informal Challenge you submitted for other's to chime in?[/hr]

Quote from: Jamran on October 16, 2024, 04:31:01 am
Quote from: regis on October 14, 2024, 02:53:52 am
[1] Is this the First ever instance OP has parked in Newham in an Event Day relevant Bay? and if NOT, how does OP usually receive notification of an Event Day in Newham?

Yes it is. I am not a resident of the borough.

This must be included as additional ground in your formal rep. Additionally, request a discretionally cancellation since this is your first instance of receiving a PCN for this contravention code, Although, they may disregard it, causing a procedural impropriety.
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How would a non-resident of the borough know how to become notified of an Event Day, if upon the entry of the main junction of the road, usually a RPZ / CPZ signage is erected listing the Event day in force, there is no notification or mention of an Event Day in force? Would one drive aimlessly around a non familiar borough searching for signage wasting their limited time one has for their stated reason of visiting the borough? Would one call through to the borough on Sunday asking for assistance or rather search online to be told "The London Borough of Newham rely on information stated on the London Stadium website, which it has no control over and unfortunately this may not always show the full schedule of upcoming events. As a precaution all motorists should check the parking signs displayed at the relevant locations to see if an event is taking place’. The signs in place are updated prior to each event at the stadium" Should Newham desire to enforce an Event Day there must be Event Day in force notice, erected upon signage, that is nearby, adequate, clearly visible and legible, so motorists can be informed as per the duty of the local authority.[/hr]
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Jamran - the rejection seems to have disappeared please repost it.
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