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Newham PCN event day code 30
« on: July 28, 2024, 07:44:11 pm »
I travelled from Mile End to Leytonstone Road near Maryland Station ( GSV https://maps.app.goo.gl/vVxzcM7xbF45XvFB8?g_st=ic ), where I parked. The signage stated it was 30 mins free parking Mon-Sat. Seeing as it was Sunday, I assumed it’s was free to park. When I came back to my vehicle, I was greeted with a PCN on my windscreen. I gathered it may have been for an event as it also stated different times for event days.

I have read of another similar case here and everyone mentioned the OP missed the signage about the next event days. I have gone through my route on GSV but cannot see that I’ve passed any CPZ signage that I’ve missed so I had no forewarning about when the next event was. Do I have a case?

I’ve attached the PCN below

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2024, 11:11:57 pm »
If you drove along the main road east from Mile End, you would have passed this sign: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HFZbjBF3zbe4DGc99

It's a bit naughty of them to have just a single sign, because a high-sided vehicle like a bus could obscure it. In addition, one would not be looking for the event day date at a location like this which is not at any junction of feature on the road as you drive.
You will see at the bottom of the sign is a slot for the next event date. This is a dual carriageway, so there is nothing to stop them putting a sign on the central reservation. So adequacy of signage is an issue. I'm also not certain about the sign at the bay where you parked. One could argue it is misleading as the event days could be assumed to be within the Mon-Sat of the main restriction, but see what the others say on this one.
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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2024, 01:56:53 pm »
Thank you. Wow didn’t even see that even on GSV! That’s so sneaky of them seeing as it’s so far from where the incident occurred. That sign is essentially at the entry of the borough.

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2024, 02:09:05 pm »
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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2024, 04:29:56 am »
Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2024, 09:47:06 am »
If you want to fight this, you first have to submit an informal challenge against the PCN. Then, if you're unhappy with their reply, make a decision whether to pay the discounted amount or take the matter further. The alternative is to just pay the discounted amount now, but doing this before any representations are rejected is not recommended. The discounted amount will be re-offered if you submit your reps to arrive with them before the discount period expires, (see your PCN).

Try something like this: -

Dear Sirs

Re postal PCN <number> dated <dd/mm/yyyy> for alleged contravention on <dd/mm/yyyy> at Leytonstone Road

I deny liability for the above PCN penalty on the grounds that the contravention did not occur due to very poor signing of the Event Days restriction.

When I received the PCN, I was puzzled about why it had been served as I had passed no sign about event day dates on my journey from Mile End. I therefore took some advice, and it was pointed out to me that there was an entry sign to the Zone on the main road just after Marshgate Lane. A look at Google Street View showed an isolated single sign on this wide and busy dual-carriageway where the next event day date is displayed. I definitely did not see this sign, and can only surmise that a high sided vehicle such as a bus or van obscured my view when I drove past, or my attention was to the traffic lights only a few yards distant. I find it quite incredible that the council regard this single sign as adequate to convey the event day information, as it is not located at any junction or location where a motorist might expect to see a sign regarding parking.

In view of this failure to follow the regulations for placement of signs advising of parking and traffic restrictions, I request that the PCN be immediately cancelled, and the council cease enforcement until signage of event days is considerable improved.

Yours faithfully

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2024, 02:03:38 pm »
Hi all,

Following informal reps, I’ve just received a response and sadly they’ve rejected my reps. I have the rejection letter attached. Do I have a chance to win at  LT?

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2024, 02:46:13 pm »
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« Last Edit: September 04, 2024, 03:23:37 pm by John U.K. »

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2024, 03:04:43 pm »
I feel now that Newham's parking signs are defective because there is no indication an event day can also be a Sunday. The event day hours extension is on the same plate under a Mon-Sat timing.  This is not how other boroughs do it.
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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2024, 05:17:00 pm »
I feel now that Newham's parking signs are defective because there is no indication an event day can also be a Sunday. The event day hours extension is on the same plate under a Mon-Sat timing.  This is not how other boroughs do it.

You may actually be right. Didn’t think of it until you mentioned it. The signage is not very clear compared to other boroughs which is comprehensive and no room for misinterpretation
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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2024, 05:51:58 pm »
Anyone have any advice on how I should proceed please?

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2024, 11:04:00 pm »
The rejection does not address your challenge at all.

I would go on with this by waiting for the notice to owner* but wait for others to look as I've been out of circulation for a while. The more I look at that sign the worse it gets but Newham is a most intractable council. 

It is a lower level penalty so the amount at stake is £40/80 not £65/130.

*Are you the registered keeper and is the V5C up to date.

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2024, 02:31:55 am »
The rejection does not address your challenge at all.

I would go on with this by waiting for the notice to owner* but wait for others to look as I've been out of circulation for a while. The more I look at that sign the worse it gets but Newham is a most intractable council. 

It is a lower level penalty so the amount at stake is £40/80 not £65/130.

*Are you the registered keeper and is the V5C up to date.



Thank you for your response. Yes I am the registered owner and V5 is up to date

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2024, 12:22:28 pm »
I'd be happy to draft formal reps should you want to continue.

Hopefully someone else will chip in on the wisdom of continuing but frankly they do not deserve their £40 after that fob off letter. 

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Re: Newham PCN event day code 30
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2024, 02:11:06 pm »
I'd be happy to draft formal reps should you want to continue.

Hopefully someone else will chip in on the wisdom of continuing but frankly they do not deserve their £40 after that fob off letter.

Thank you! Much appreciated