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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

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Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

The key is to provide evidence of difficulty in walking as that means assistance is needed. A note from any authority they will take notice of is what should work, and that could be a doctor (obviously), friend/family member with professional credentials, the imam etc.

I have received the NtO. I have posted it via Imgur, please view if need be. I will by today, submit formal reps under the first ground for appeal: 'The contravention didn't occur' as I am arguing under the exemption: 'Assisted boarding' and also CEO Error

I also have obtained a fit note from the GP of the person I had picked up on that day, stating that he had diarrhea which necessitated him needing a pick-uo from the mosque. He has also written, by hand, a witness statement for me on that day which he has signed. As far as 'hard evidence' goes, I think in my opinion that is suitable enough (see previous, fob off rejection letter)

Also, CEO gave incorrect observation time contrary to Newham policy (which is 2 minutes), so I will mention that point in there too. I really don't want to go to Tribunals, as I got one ticket that is at that stage and quite frankly, it is super long-winded. I will attempt to refute their fob off letter precisely, as they did state they require hard evidence, which I have got.

Hopefully this is the end of it. If there is any other 'hard evidence' types that I have not considered to authenticate my circumstances, please let me know.

Any helpful advice regarding, including potentially a draft of formal reps given my previous replies in this thread would be hugely appreciated :)


Well, after supplying hard evidence in the form of a medical fit note issued by the GP of the elderly person which clearly stated he had diarrhea on the day of the alleged contravention, as well as further evidence showing that Newham's policy with observation periods/assisted boarding meant that my PCN should be cancelled... I have received this (lazy) notice of rejection.

I explained it correctly and made valid points, included the original PCN slip which showed 0 minutes observation time as well as what the standard observation time for code 40 etc...

The 1st point they mention is just lazy and absolutely factually incorrect. Newham's own policy state that picking up/setting down or assisted boarding can be done ANYWHERE except for bus stops, school keep-clears, pedestrian zig-zag markings and footway parking. There is no mention of disabled bays (whether they be for residents or for public use). This exemption applies for up to 2 minutes, and if longer than hard evidence must be supplied (I did so). No mention of the requirement for a valid disabled badge is found in the document/policy nor is it even hinted at, whether the assisted boarding took place in a disabled bay or anywhere else except the aforementioned.

The 2nd point is also false, as the serious offences they refer to are the one's mentioned above. Also, the serious offences which do not require an observation period and are subject to immediate enforcement are clearly distinguished in Appendix C of newhamparkingpolicyprocedures.pdf i.e those with 0 minutes and 'on-street'. An example of this which I did not mentioned above, is parking adjacent to a dropped footway i.e blocking a driveway. Surely my alleged offence under code 40 is not serious, as it has a observation time of 2 minutes. If it was serious, it would be stated as 0 minutes accordingly and then that point/paragraph would make sense.

I have a feeling that they did not even bother with looking at my evidence and just skimmed over what I wrote in my formal appeal. Also, they are offering me a discount at the rejection of formal representation stage, which is not normal from them. Would this win at the Tribunals or should I just pay to secure the discount, even though I am fully of the belief that I did NOT commit any contravention due to exemption.

It has got me starting to wonder why they are so biased in their judgement of appeals at these early stages.



« Last Edit: November 01, 2024, 03:59:19 pm by IHateUnfairPCNs »

Can you direct us to what you say is the council's policy on assisted boarding pl. You keep referring to 2 minutes and twice the council have responded in the NOR that there is no such requirement for BB bays.

Also, IMO I was picking up an elderly person from a local mosque, who was having a medical bowel incontinence emergency, does not meet the conditions for assisted boarding. I'm going to be direct because we don't have time to dance around matters. You seem to have lost sight of what you need to present to meet the conditions for the assisted boarding exception, assuming it even applied.

You scoped:
Elderly;
Incontinence;
2 minutes observation;
'a friend of my father who has significant trouble with walking'.

I know which aspect I'd focus on because it bears directly on the conditions.





Please view pages 10 and 28/30 of the attached document which outlines cancellation procedures for those dealing with PCN's, to find their policy regarding 'picking up and setting down' i.e assisted boarding. Page 28 goes in depth in terms of the policy. I understand that the document is old, however I cannot find a more recent and similar document. It is also found specifically in the 'PCN spreadsheet' on the FTLA website. In that document named newhamparkingpolicyprocedures, nothing is stated about picking up and setting down, however the period of observation is mentioned required for code 40 is.

In the second attachment, please view subtitles: 4.4 - Observation Policy on page 36 and the corresponding Appendix C. As far as I'm aware, that document is the latest edition I can find after searching 'Newham parking policy' on Google, it being the first result

I must also state that in the Civil Enforcement Officers handbook document issued by London Councils (publicly available document), for code 40, it states that an observation period is required, with A (picking up and setting down being an exemption, no mention of requirement of valid BB) being an exemption.

As for the latter you've mentioned, the person I was picking up is elderly, disabled and had that specific incontinence. As far as I'm aware, that does sufficiently meet the conditions for assisted boarding and I have provided hard evidence to the council to prove that. He does have a blue badge but he forgot it at home, and the council will not accept pictures of it as it was not in the vehicle at the time of alleged contravention.

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The more recent policy refers to 2 minutes' obs. On its own it doesn't prove your case, but by all means give it an appropriate profile.

the person I was picking up is elderly, disabled and had that specific incontinence. As far as I'm aware, that does sufficiently meet the conditions for assisted boarding

I'm not, but there we are. Not all disabilities require assistance, elderly is not a condition, it's a relative age and incontinence isn't relevant IMO because I don't see how it bears on the issue.

However, if they have difficulty walking unaided, which you said initially, and also has a BB - hopefully issued for this condition- then this would be my focus. You must be careful to ensure that reference to a BB is solely for the purpose of bolstering your evidence as to their physical condition, in this way there's no option for this to be disregarded.



If it's any help I won a case against shepway DC about 16 years ago on assisted boarding. I had to park on DYL and find an elderly gent who had got mislaid in the local market! I was a private hire driver at the time. I used the help of the good people of the late PPPsite and won the case. Gould-v-Shepway DC, it should be on the PPP "library" if that's acessible from here. I won at Tribunal.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.