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Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
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Thanks.

any person causing any vehicle to proceed in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter into the road or length of road specified in relation thereto in column 3 of that Schedule

So if you're proceeding in a specified road you shall cause that vehicle to enter another specified road.

 ;)

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #46 on: »
Thanks.

any person causing any vehicle to proceed in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter into the road or length of road specified in relation thereto in column 3 of that Schedule

So if you're proceeding in a specified road you shall cause that vehicle to enter another specified road.

 ;)

So just to check my understanding, the TRO doesn't actually prohibit this activity? Would the TFT arbitrator accept that or just consider it an "error" that can be ignored?

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #47 on: »
IMO, this is not your leading argument which remains the signage is not consistent with the alleged contravention.

You would also draw the adjudicator's attention to the council's evidence pack, item **. I have had great difficulty understanding their references, but if they are relying upon s4 and therefore Schedule 2, I have read this and have extracted 4(1) below:

4(1) Except as provided by paragraph (2) of this Article, any person causing any vehicle to proceed in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter into the road or length of road specified in relation thereto in column 3 of that Schedule at the times stated in relation thereto in column 4 of that Schedule.

I respectfully suggest that this does not create a prohibition but instead requires motorists to follow a prescribed route i.e. 'shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter [the road prescribed in column 3].

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
« Reply #48 on: »
IMO, this is not your leading argument which remains the signage is not consistent with the alleged contravention.

You would also draw the adjudicator's attention to the council's evidence pack, item **. I have had great difficulty understanding their references, but if they are relying upon s4 and therefore Schedule 2, I have read this and have extracted 4(1) below:

4(1) Except as provided by paragraph (2) of this Article, any person causing any vehicle to proceed in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter into the road or length of road specified in relation thereto in column 3 of that Schedule at the times stated in relation thereto in column 4 of that Schedule.

I respectfully suggest that this does not create a prohibition but instead requires motorists to follow a prescribed route i.e. 'shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter [the road prescribed in column 3].

Many thanks! Should I add the following as evidence then?


1)  The traffic signs were ambiguously worded - as per our original appeal to Medway, our interpretation (whilst controlling a moving vehicle on a busy road) of these signs were that there was a "No Vehicles Except for Access" on "Saturdays 10am-4pm". Medway in their response have indicated their intention was the sign to mean "No Vehicles" "Except for Access on Saturdays 10am-4pm". There is no possible way a driver could distinguish the intention between these two meanings without receiving the clarification Medway have provided in the Notice of Rejection. For example, a better and unambiguous way of wording this sign could have been "No Vehicles except for:" and then underneath "Access only on Saturdays 10am - 4pm" which would leave a driver in no doubt. We actually waited for around an hour in a nearby restaurant until it was past 4pm just so we could drive down the high street to collect a heavy item purchased at an antique shop!

2)The contravention did not occur - the PCN states Code 51J contravention of No Entry restriction - there was no "No Entry" restriction, the sign driven past was a prohibition on certain types of vehicles (which is Code 52V for this sign, which even I managed to discover with just five minutes on Google), and although this sign can have a similar effect, namely that at certain times vehicles should not pass them, this does not mean they are the same for legislative and enforcement purposes. They are distinguished in the regulations, and separate contravention descriptions exist for them. From the Statutory Guidance: Authorities should not issue PCNs when traffic signs or road markings are incorrect.

3) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - they failed to properly consider my representations. They refer to the representations as “mitigation”, which they were clearly not - they were that the contravention did not occur (for the reasons given). They also failed to consider the representation that the contravention on the PCN did not occur because there was no No Entry sign. Even now in their evidence pack to the TPT, Medway continue to refer to my appeal as being an appeal to their discretion, and my appeal to the TPT being based on “further discretion”. Both the appeal to Medway and the TPT are, as stated here, based on failure to issue a PCN for the contravention they allege, failure to follow the procedures they are lawfully required to follow and using a traffic sign which is ambiguously worded and could have easily been worded in an unambiguous fashion.

4) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the original PCN failed to specify that “Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority” is a valid ground of representation.

5) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the Notice Of Rejection fails to specify proper details on appealing to the TPT. The Local Authority cannot discharge this duty by referring a person to a third parties general website.

6) I would also like to draw the adjudicator's attention to the council's evidence pack, item 11.  I have had difficulty understanding their references, but if they are relying upon s4 and therefore Schedule 2, I have read this and have extracted 4(1) as below:

“4(1) Except as provided by paragraph (2) of this Article, any person causing any vehicle to proceed in a road or length of road specified in column 2 of an item in Schedule 2 shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter into the road or length of road specified in relation thereto in column 3 of that Schedule at the times stated in relation thereto in column 4 of that Schedule.”

I respectfully suggest that this does not create a prohibition at all, but instead requires motorists to follow a prescribed route i.e. 'shall thereupon cause that vehicle to enter [the road prescribed in column 3].

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
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5) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the Notice Of Rejection fails to specify proper details on appealing to the TPT. The Local Authority cannot discharge this duty by referring a person to a third parties general website.

Too vague: it's a conclusion. The adjudicator isn't going to compare the NOR with the legislation, that's your job: specify exactly where the NOR is defective.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
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5) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the Notice Of Rejection fails to specify proper details on appealing to the TPT. The Local Authority cannot discharge this duty by referring a person to a third parties general website.

Too vague: it's a conclusion. The adjudicator isn't going to compare the NOR with the legislation, that's your job: specify exactly where the NOR is defective.

Is this any better?

5) Procedural impropriety by the Local Authority - the Notice Of Rejection fails to specify proper details on appealing to the TPT. The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 s.6(a)(iii) clearly states “If the enforcement authority does not accept the representations, its decision notice must describe the form and manner in which an appeal to an adjudicator must be made." The Local Authority has attempted discharge this duty by referring a person to a third parties general website (and not even a specific page) which the legislation does not permit it to do.

Re: Medway - 51J - No Entry Restriction
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Is this any better?

IMO, no.

Make the adjudicator's job as easy as possible.

Procedural Impropriety
S6(6)(a)(iii) of the Appeals regulations states “If the enforcement authority does not accept the representations, its decision notice must describe the form and manner in which an appeal to an adjudicator must be made."

In their NOR, the only information regarding appealing is contained Section 4 'How to Appeal Your decision' and the adjudicator will see that this comprises only a form issued by the Tribunal. This form has been devised to act as a guide to appellants and is useful in this regard because it includes aspects of the Tribunal's practice as well as legal matters, but does not differentiate. It is not intended to stand on its own, but to be read in conjunction with the mandatory information to be included under s6(6)(a)(iii).

But this essential information is not included in the NOR. Therefore, the recipient is not made aware of:

1. The adjudicator's power to accept appeals submitted outside the 28-day period;
2 The conditions under which a recipient may claim costs or have these awarded against them;

Further procedural improprieties arise in Sections 3 and 5 of the NOR.

Both of these sections repeat the misstatement of the council's power to increase the penalty, namely '*** 28 days we may issue/send you a charge certificate''. This is manifestly incorrect because, as the NOR makes clear, events are triggered ' normally 2 working days after posting' which in either case, whether a certificate is 'issued' or 'sent' means that the increased charge does not apply until this point, which is incorrect in law: my increased liability, if any, arises after the 'payment period' has expired: service of a CC could be anything up to 5 days later depending on the time of year.   

And to illustrate further the council's inability to express clearly and succinctly the regulations' requirements, I refer the adjudicator to this passage in S 3, How to Pay:

3 How to Pay
[Reference to discount]...Failure to pay the penalty charge at the full rate may result in the issue of a charge certificate which increases the amount by a further 50%. If the penalty charge is not the paid within a further 21 days, Medway council may apply to the county court to recover the charge as if it were a debt payable under a County Court order.

This must be paid before the end of 28 days beginning on the date of service of this notice.

Setting aside for one moment that a recipient has only 14 days in which to pay a charge certificate, I am confused by their last reference to 'This must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days etc..'.

'This' means what? The county court order, the charge certificate or what? It is ambiguous to the point of being incapable of singular definition and therefore is misleading.