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London Borough of Redbridge, Overton Drive, Wanstead, Code 32l
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Hi,
I was on my way to Wanstead leisure centre and while driving along Overton Drive I came to a Section of the road that has speed limiting metal bollards.  I was worried my car would not fit between the bollards (I own an SUV) and as there were no signs preventing driving through the access opening just ahead of the bollards I drove through the access opening. 

A few days later I received 1 PCN and then a further 2 more a few days later.  I paid the first PCN. 
If Signs were displayed I would not have used the access opening just after the bollards.  There's no mention of the opening being an emergency access nor was there a no entry sign or a sign stating timed access .  Furthermore the camera is hidden behind trees. 
The reason why i went around the Restricting bollards was because i weren't sure if my car would fit.  The width is 2m and my car is 1.85M

I received 2 separate parking tickets one for each side and I've attached pictures.
The Offence code is 32l.

Apart from one sign stating which side of the road I should pas through the bollards, there were no further signs or road markings and the Camera is hidden behind trees.

Can someone help by reviewing the PCN and Pictures I have attached to see if I have case to fight?

Link to PCN:


Google Street View Link: https://maps.app.goo.gl/nLCwihPcVtywZK9y7

Link to Images I took to help my case: https://1drv.ms/f/s!ArS0UWLGj1A2gogx0jQqcb6al5M2nA?e=0tMBKt

Regards
Samir
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I was worried my car would not fit between the bollards (I own an SUV) and as there were no signs preventing driving through the access opening just ahead of the bollards I drove through the access opening.
Except there were !
The bollard facing you as you drove towards the road restriction has an arrow on it pointing down and to the left.  This is the sign, and it is mandatory, not advisory.
These restrictions are there to prevent large vehicles, mostly HGVs from using the road, ot her than emergency vehicles that are permitted to use the central lane.. If your vehicle is too large to fit the narrow lanes clearly you have to either buy a smaller vehicle, or not use that road. However whilst you say it's 1.85m wide, this is normally the width between the mirrors on each side, not the body.

I assume from your narrative that you have received 2 PCNs for the one contravention. Can you please post up the 2nd one. This should not have been served if it is for the journey that took you through the restriction. It is a basic principle of law that you cannot be penalised more than once for a single transgression.

Also looking via GSV, there seems to be no advance warning of this restriction at all, and if one comes to it with a wide vehicle, has no means of turning round and going back.
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Thanks for replying,

Here's the 2nd PCN
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Can someone help by reviewing the PCN and Pictures I have attached to see if I have case to fight?

Each separate PCN - two separate, two different times- is annotated 'Appealed online 3 July'.

There's nothing for you to do other than to await the authority's response.

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Hi H C Andersen,
Agreed but i'm just trying to gather as much info as I can to go back with a strong enough appeal because I know they will be rejecting both my current appeals.
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Please post up all sides of both PCNs.
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Re: London Borough of Redbridge, Overton Drive, Wanstead, Code 32l
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Hi Hippocrates,
Here you go (The back page for both is the same).  No other pages received.  Only 1 page, double sided per PCN



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Quote from: H C Andersen on July 23, 2024, 07:38:47 pm

Can someone help by reviewing the PCN and Pictures I have attached to see if I have case to fight?

Each separate PCN - two separate, two different times- is annotated 'Appealed online 3 July'.

There's nothing for you to do other than to await the authority's response.

Hi,
I received formal rejections to both my appeals. The letter is dated 05/08/24 and i probably received a few days later but I was on Holiday between 06/08 to 17/08.  I have until tomorrow midnight to either meet the 14 days discount or I can appeal to the Adjudicator.

 

Incandescent said:
"I assume from your narrative that you have received 2 PCNs for the one contravention. Can you please post up the 2nd one. This should not have been served if it is for the journey that took you through the restriction. It is a basic principle of law that you cannot be penalised more than once for a single transgression.

Also looking via GSV, there seems to be no advance warning of this restriction at all, and if one comes to it with a wide vehicle, has no means of turning round and going back."


If this is the case, can someone help me to formulate a reply to the Adjudicator or should I just pay both PCN's.
I have posted the reply for one of the Rejections however, both rejections are exactly the same.


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You need to show us exactly what you wrote in your reps.
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And the rest of the rejection?
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Quote from: John U.K. on August 17, 2024, 09:49:37 pm
You need to show us exactly what you wrote in your reps.

This was my appeal for both:
Hi, I received a PCN for traffic contravention 38l however there are no Signs advising I cannot drive through the opening ahead of the bollards and there are no signs displaying a camera is in operation. I happened to notice a camera but it is completely hidden behind trees and is not visible at all. If you can please tell me where the camera sign is and where it says I cannot drive through the opening ahead of the bollards. Thank You
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Quote from: Neil B on August 17, 2024, 09:58:21 pm
And the rest of the rejection?

The 3rd page  just states that if do not pay or appeal before the end of the 28 day period the penalty charge may increase by 50% to £195 and a charge certificate may be served.  The rest of the rejection are just forms to complete for the adjudicator
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You need to post what is asked for.

Problem is you made the wrong representations for the two PCNs - you had to go for discretion on a repeating contravention you were unaware of til you got the first PCN.

There is little to go on here.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2024, 02:53:02 pm by stamfordman »
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Quote from: samir_d on August 17, 2024, 10:49:39 pm
Quote from: Neil B on August 17, 2024, 09:58:21 pm
And the rest of the rejection?

The 3rd page  just states that if do not pay or appeal before the end of the 28 day period the penalty charge may increase by 50% to £195 and a charge certificate may be served.
You've already told us it says more than that?
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